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		<title>Comment on Adobe Love by Alejandro Castan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alejandro Castan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 15:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr Zeldman
Sorry to bother you but since I am starting in Web design and like I am very excited for the new Adobe tools and I would love to do it as Web 2.0 or Web 3.0 concepts, for it, Could you advice me about the Adobe best tools to make it?
Thanks for your time
Alejandro Castan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Zeldman<br />
Sorry to bother you but since I am starting in Web design and like I am very excited for the new Adobe tools and I would love to do it as Web 2.0 or Web 3.0 concepts, for it, Could you advice me about the Adobe best tools to make it?<br />
Thanks for your time<br />
Alejandro Castan</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adobe Love by Dave Ackerman</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2013/05/08/adobe-love/#comment-66541</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Ackerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 18:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adobe is primed to do some really powerful stuff. I like the overall direction their tools are headed.

Keeping that prototyping intention in mind, these tools can be incredibly useful in the hands of someone trying to get buy in on newer techniques within their organization.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adobe is primed to do some really powerful stuff. I like the overall direction their tools are headed.</p>
<p>Keeping that prototyping intention in mind, these tools can be incredibly useful in the hands of someone trying to get buy in on newer techniques within their organization.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adobe Love by Adrienne Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2013/05/08/adobe-love/#comment-66536</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrienne Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 01:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@johan: absolutely. Adobe clearly wants to kill off its small-potatoes customers. Freelancers in lower-income markets, part-timers, the underemployed, hobbyists, small non-profits, community schools, retirees, etc., have all been thrown under the bus with the decision to end perpetual licenses. Creative Cloud is a great deal for enterprise, large design firms, and big educational institutions; a necessary buy-in for smaller design firms; and an utter disaster for everyone else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@johan: absolutely. Adobe clearly wants to kill off its small-potatoes customers. Freelancers in lower-income markets, part-timers, the underemployed, hobbyists, small non-profits, community schools, retirees, etc., have all been thrown under the bus with the decision to end perpetual licenses. Creative Cloud is a great deal for enterprise, large design firms, and big educational institutions; a necessary buy-in for smaller design firms; and an utter disaster for everyone else.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adobe Love by johan wuyckens</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2013/05/08/adobe-love/#comment-66532</link>
		<dc:creator>johan wuyckens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 19:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will never enter their subscription program. I&#039;m a small freelancer, so for me it makes sense to skip a new version of a software package. Adobe no longer wants me to have that choice. they are trying to take me hostage. Besides, they also killed Fireworks, a program I have been using since its inception. For these two reasons Adobe is a closed chapter for me. Excuse me for sounding a bit emotional, but I sincerely feel Adobe is scr*wing me over for a few extra bucks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will never enter their subscription program. I&#8217;m a small freelancer, so for me it makes sense to skip a new version of a software package. Adobe no longer wants me to have that choice. they are trying to take me hostage. Besides, they also killed Fireworks, a program I have been using since its inception. For these two reasons Adobe is a closed chapter for me. Excuse me for sounding a bit emotional, but I sincerely feel Adobe is scr*wing me over for a few extra bucks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adobe Love by Trace Meek</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2013/05/08/adobe-love/#comment-66531</link>
		<dc:creator>Trace Meek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 16:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The company also needs to make single or limited groups of products available at a lower price for customers who prefer to work as they have always worked, using one Adobe tool to great effect, and not worrying about the rest.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I agree. For folks like me who no longer freelance and who largely work in a text editor with Web browsers themselves as the design-rendering tools, there&#039;s just no way to justify a $50/month subscription. It took me a long time to justify the chunk of change it took to purchase a license to CS3 way back when, and for now, that version continues to serve me well. I do think fondly of Adobe as a company, and will certainly upgrade to more current versions of their software when standalone versions with one-time pricing are offered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The company also needs to make single or limited groups of products available at a lower price for customers who prefer to work as they have always worked, using one Adobe tool to great effect, and not worrying about the rest.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree. For folks like me who no longer freelance and who largely work in a text editor with Web browsers themselves as the design-rendering tools, there&#8217;s just no way to justify a $50/month subscription. It took me a long time to justify the chunk of change it took to purchase a license to CS3 way back when, and for now, that version continues to serve me well. I do think fondly of Adobe as a company, and will certainly upgrade to more current versions of their software when standalone versions with one-time pricing are offered.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 140 Characters is a Joke by Male-Enhancement-Risks.Pen.Io</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2013/03/27/140-characters-is-a-joke/#comment-66528</link>
		<dc:creator>Male-Enhancement-Risks.Pen.Io</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 09:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Link exchange is nothing else except it is just placing the other person&#039;s blog link on your page at proper place and other person will also do same for you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link exchange is nothing else except it is just placing the other person&#8217;s blog link on your page at proper place and other person will also do same for you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adobe Love by Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2013/05/08/adobe-love/#comment-66526</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 01:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was very happy and heartened to read Zeldman&#039;s positive comments about CC. I have been subscribing to CC since 5-2012, and have enjoyed it. I feel that the deal is fair. People are talking about having to subscribe forever as if it is some kind of prison sentence, as if Adobe has some kind of ironclad monopoly. That just does not appear to be true. I think they will have to deliver the goods, and will want to do so. After all, one has an out every year.

The actual cost of a CC subscription is the difference between what buying a license would cost, including regular updates, and the cost of the CC subscription. That is less than $600 per year, in my case it is about the same for a good many years since I didn&#039;t qualify for any of the suite upgrades, having been only a photoshop and dreamweaver user for a few years. 

People should lighten up a little. The CC payment is a cost of living if you value the Adobe apps as part of your life. I do. Too much of the complaining I have been reading is starting to sound like complaining about the cost of eating, or of transportation. Be glad to be alive, to have the costs, to have the interests and the talents that lead to the costs. Otherwise, look for an alternative, and let us know if you find a better one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very happy and heartened to read Zeldman&#8217;s positive comments about CC. I have been subscribing to CC since 5-2012, and have enjoyed it. I feel that the deal is fair. People are talking about having to subscribe forever as if it is some kind of prison sentence, as if Adobe has some kind of ironclad monopoly. That just does not appear to be true. I think they will have to deliver the goods, and will want to do so. After all, one has an out every year.</p>
<p>The actual cost of a CC subscription is the difference between what buying a license would cost, including regular updates, and the cost of the CC subscription. That is less than $600 per year, in my case it is about the same for a good many years since I didn&#8217;t qualify for any of the suite upgrades, having been only a photoshop and dreamweaver user for a few years. </p>
<p>People should lighten up a little. The CC payment is a cost of living if you value the Adobe apps as part of your life. I do. Too much of the complaining I have been reading is starting to sound like complaining about the cost of eating, or of transportation. Be glad to be alive, to have the costs, to have the interests and the talents that lead to the costs. Otherwise, look for an alternative, and let us know if you find a better one.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adobe Love by stratēchery &#124; The Week in Review &#8211; May 5-11, 2013</title>
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		<dc:creator>stratēchery &#124; The Week in Review &#8211; May 5-11, 2013</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 19:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Adobe Love by Adrienne Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2013/05/08/adobe-love/#comment-66523</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrienne Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 19:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;...if they don’t the subscriptions will stop paying and they will stop growing&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

@MarkM: True, yes, but once a creator has bought into CC subscription the penalty for stopping is very, very high: loss of the ability to edit one&#039;s files. This penalty will grow as the years go by, as file formats are updated to make them non-backwards compatible to the last perpetually licensed product: CS6. A professional using Adobe tools will not be in a position to lose access to the tools essential to one&#039;s business. 

So even if Adobe fails to live up to its promises, raises the subscription price to unaffordable levels, or otherwise makes the service a bad proposition to its subscribers, we really will have no alternative to continuing to pay—forever. Because without the monthly payment, there is no functional software. Even after spending many thousands of dollars for years of subscriptions, without continuous payment, &lt;strong&gt;there is no functional software.&lt;/strong&gt; 

That is why I call this scheme extortionate: without continuous payment, the owner of a creative work is prevented from editing his/her own work, and will no longer be able to make a living from that work. No other subscription software works that way, from what I am hearing. Apparently Adobe is considering some kind of read-only format for exporting work from CC, which is a complete joke, if not an outright insult.

As far as Adobe “disappearing” without monthly payments from its customers, I think that’s quite a stretch. Q1 earnings were over $1B US. Adobe already has a near-monopoly on its software, and having a captive customer base facing a high penalty for leaving only strengthens this monopoly power. Monopolies are much less vulnerable to market forces: what assurances do Adobe’s customers have that this near-monopoly will not lead to stagnant innovation, higher costs, and poorer service? Again, we are being asked to Trust Adobe on all this. I, for one, cannot afford to trust a single company with my livelihood. 

I was seriously contemplating joining CC as my CS5 is getting a bit long in the tooth, but this news of the termination of any option for a perpetual license has helped me decide that I cannot accept Adobe’s terms—the risk is too high.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;if they don’t the subscriptions will stop paying and they will stop growing&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>@MarkM: True, yes, but once a creator has bought into CC subscription the penalty for stopping is very, very high: loss of the ability to edit one&#8217;s files. This penalty will grow as the years go by, as file formats are updated to make them non-backwards compatible to the last perpetually licensed product: CS6. A professional using Adobe tools will not be in a position to lose access to the tools essential to one&#8217;s business. </p>
<p>So even if Adobe fails to live up to its promises, raises the subscription price to unaffordable levels, or otherwise makes the service a bad proposition to its subscribers, we really will have no alternative to continuing to pay—forever. Because without the monthly payment, there is no functional software. Even after spending many thousands of dollars for years of subscriptions, without continuous payment, <strong>there is no functional software.</strong> </p>
<p>That is why I call this scheme extortionate: without continuous payment, the owner of a creative work is prevented from editing his/her own work, and will no longer be able to make a living from that work. No other subscription software works that way, from what I am hearing. Apparently Adobe is considering some kind of read-only format for exporting work from CC, which is a complete joke, if not an outright insult.</p>
<p>As far as Adobe “disappearing” without monthly payments from its customers, I think that’s quite a stretch. Q1 earnings were over $1B US. Adobe already has a near-monopoly on its software, and having a captive customer base facing a high penalty for leaving only strengthens this monopoly power. Monopolies are much less vulnerable to market forces: what assurances do Adobe’s customers have that this near-monopoly will not lead to stagnant innovation, higher costs, and poorer service? Again, we are being asked to Trust Adobe on all this. I, for one, cannot afford to trust a single company with my livelihood. </p>
<p>I was seriously contemplating joining CC as my CS5 is getting a bit long in the tooth, but this news of the termination of any option for a perpetual license has helped me decide that I cannot accept Adobe’s terms—the risk is too high.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adobe Love by MarkM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 17:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I came across this post from seeing it linked to on CodeProject. And read through all of the comments. 
I was glad to hear of Jeffrey Zeldmans reactions to the Adobe product direction. I worked for Adobe in the 90&#039;s, in their IT department, and got access to all their products - which I really enjoyed. I upgraded my products after I left, however this was not my profession, it was more of a hobby and it was costing me thousands of dollars every couple of years to keep up with the latest version. I wrote the marketing director that they had to price these better for owners of the products - I had to stop upgrading as the cost was beyond my abilities to keep up. Then came CreativeCloud and a monthly fee that gave me all the tools that they make - and the key ones that I wanted to keep using (PS,AE,IL,DW) that would over a few years match what it would take to purchase a Master Suite - So I took the bait - I wanted access to the products that I value and this allowed me to make that cost take years instead of one big hit. 
I am a developer and the tools for doing development are important to me - however from the comments on ColdFusion as a developer tool - is not something I look for as tool - I have not ever worked with ColdFusion - nor do I expect to, the emphasis on Responsive Web design, and CSS tools, and JavaScript will be more in the areas that I will find important.  
The Adobe starting point was print, and then has morphed with the industry to be all media, and that seems only natural to have them in the cloud and enabling mobile developers, and designers. 
Adobe has created a few products that get a very short life span, and just die - they just do not take hold in the market place - and from a business perspective by having a steady income with CreativeCloud they can experiment with producing new tools. This new model also allows them to interact with the developer and designer communites by producing a beta product to get direct feedback from that community - so if you are not liking where it is going - say so - suggest improvements -make the new products better - what you will use - and what you need. Adobe has to keep its product value strong by continuing to improve their tools as the market changes - if they don&#039;t the subscriptions will stop paying and they will stop growing. The fears of the employees losing their jobs -is part of the economy too - companies have to be looking at a bottom line - a ratio of Income to Expenses is a reality of doing business - it is how a company lives and breathes.  
If Adobe is giving you a value - you should be willing to pay for it - otherwise they will disappear. If they raise the price for CreativeCloud beyond what I can afford - they will lose me (and probably a lot of others too). For now - It meets what I am willing to pay for - and gives me tools that I feel I want to use in my development efforts, and for what I want to experiment with as a hobby. CreativeCloud to me made the Master Suite affordable - and gives them a more known income stream to budget with. I think that is a fair trade.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across this post from seeing it linked to on CodeProject. And read through all of the comments.<br />
I was glad to hear of Jeffrey Zeldmans reactions to the Adobe product direction. I worked for Adobe in the 90&#8242;s, in their IT department, and got access to all their products &#8211; which I really enjoyed. I upgraded my products after I left, however this was not my profession, it was more of a hobby and it was costing me thousands of dollars every couple of years to keep up with the latest version. I wrote the marketing director that they had to price these better for owners of the products &#8211; I had to stop upgrading as the cost was beyond my abilities to keep up. Then came CreativeCloud and a monthly fee that gave me all the tools that they make &#8211; and the key ones that I wanted to keep using (PS,AE,IL,DW) that would over a few years match what it would take to purchase a Master Suite &#8211; So I took the bait &#8211; I wanted access to the products that I value and this allowed me to make that cost take years instead of one big hit.<br />
I am a developer and the tools for doing development are important to me &#8211; however from the comments on ColdFusion as a developer tool &#8211; is not something I look for as tool &#8211; I have not ever worked with ColdFusion &#8211; nor do I expect to, the emphasis on Responsive Web design, and CSS tools, and JavaScript will be more in the areas that I will find important.<br />
The Adobe starting point was print, and then has morphed with the industry to be all media, and that seems only natural to have them in the cloud and enabling mobile developers, and designers.<br />
Adobe has created a few products that get a very short life span, and just die &#8211; they just do not take hold in the market place &#8211; and from a business perspective by having a steady income with CreativeCloud they can experiment with producing new tools. This new model also allows them to interact with the developer and designer communites by producing a beta product to get direct feedback from that community &#8211; so if you are not liking where it is going &#8211; say so &#8211; suggest improvements -make the new products better &#8211; what you will use &#8211; and what you need. Adobe has to keep its product value strong by continuing to improve their tools as the market changes &#8211; if they don&#8217;t the subscriptions will stop paying and they will stop growing. The fears of the employees losing their jobs -is part of the economy too &#8211; companies have to be looking at a bottom line &#8211; a ratio of Income to Expenses is a reality of doing business &#8211; it is how a company lives and breathes.<br />
If Adobe is giving you a value &#8211; you should be willing to pay for it &#8211; otherwise they will disappear. If they raise the price for CreativeCloud beyond what I can afford &#8211; they will lose me (and probably a lot of others too). For now &#8211; It meets what I am willing to pay for &#8211; and gives me tools that I feel I want to use in my development efforts, and for what I want to experiment with as a hobby. CreativeCloud to me made the Master Suite affordable &#8211; and gives them a more known income stream to budget with. I think that is a fair trade.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adobe Love by Adrienne Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrienne Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 17:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I, too, feel that optimism re Adobe&#039;s future should be tempered with the reality of the backlash against the subscription-only model of Creative Cloud. Perhaps only a few thousand of Adobe&#039;s millions of customers are speaking out strongly against the new pricing structure, but the damage to Adobe&#039;s reputation and customer trust level will likely spread much wider.

My strongest objection to Adobe&#039;s current implementation of the subscription-only service is its requirement for total buy-in. As long as one pays the monthly fee, one can have access to all the amazing services offered; but the moment that fee isn&#039;t paid, the creator loses the ability to open and modify his/her own files. &quot;Pay in perpetuity&quot; to access my own property (my files) creates, for me, a great sense of unease and anxiety. Should I trust Adobe, when Adobe has shown itself very capable of changing the rules of the game without warning (e.g. upgrade policy change in 2011)? 

This subscription situation is apparently unique to Adobe&#039;s CC license; other subscription software allows the customer to continue to use the software after the subscription ends but the software is frozen and receives no updates and/or bug fixes, with no loss of file access by the creator. (Corrections appreciated...)

As currently configured, Creative Cloud is very much a &quot;terminator gene&quot; service; pay up or die. It is this extortionate technique which I object to, and which I will not participate in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, feel that optimism re Adobe&#8217;s future should be tempered with the reality of the backlash against the subscription-only model of Creative Cloud. Perhaps only a few thousand of Adobe&#8217;s millions of customers are speaking out strongly against the new pricing structure, but the damage to Adobe&#8217;s reputation and customer trust level will likely spread much wider.</p>
<p>My strongest objection to Adobe&#8217;s current implementation of the subscription-only service is its requirement for total buy-in. As long as one pays the monthly fee, one can have access to all the amazing services offered; but the moment that fee isn&#8217;t paid, the creator loses the ability to open and modify his/her own files. &#8220;Pay in perpetuity&#8221; to access my own property (my files) creates, for me, a great sense of unease and anxiety. Should I trust Adobe, when Adobe has shown itself very capable of changing the rules of the game without warning (e.g. upgrade policy change in 2011)? </p>
<p>This subscription situation is apparently unique to Adobe&#8217;s CC license; other subscription software allows the customer to continue to use the software after the subscription ends but the software is frozen and receives no updates and/or bug fixes, with no loss of file access by the creator. (Corrections appreciated&#8230;)</p>
<p>As currently configured, Creative Cloud is very much a &#8220;terminator gene&#8221; service; pay up or die. It is this extortionate technique which I object to, and which I will not participate in.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adobe Love by Theo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 May 2013 18:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me dream a little bit. What if the leaders in this field would create a company that would produce tools as a alternative to adobe and not just &quot;join&quot; adobe...

As for adobe: i think they should make all tools available for the cloud as well as for static use.

just my two cents]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me dream a little bit. What if the leaders in this field would create a company that would produce tools as a alternative to adobe and not just &#8220;join&#8221; adobe&#8230;</p>
<p>As for adobe: i think they should make all tools available for the cloud as well as for static use.</p>
<p>just my two cents</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adobe Love by Jack Nycz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Nycz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 23:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love Adobe and their products but really thought they could be falling off the map in regards to the new direction of the web.  So glad to see that they are actually collaborating with people in the field to make some products that we (designers and developers) will really use!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Adobe and their products but really thought they could be falling off the map in regards to the new direction of the web.  So glad to see that they are actually collaborating with people in the field to make some products that we (designers and developers) will really use!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adobe Love by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 17:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Michel

I took a look at Smashing&#039;s Fireworks section and admit that Fireworks is a much more complete product nowadays.  I last used it in the 90&#039;s as Macromedia so my position is outdated.

I guess it&#039;s still not relevant to me at this point and as Adobe probably sees that web developers who are designing assets are moving towards full HTML/CSS prototypes (like I have) and for one person teams (like me) Fireworks doesn&#039;t make sense.  But I guess it is good for a graphic designer who wants to mockup prototypes quickly without having to code html/css.  It&#039;s just not relevant to me and I think Adobe is seeing an uptick in HTML prototyping.]]></description>
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<p>I took a look at Smashing&#8217;s Fireworks section and admit that Fireworks is a much more complete product nowadays.  I last used it in the 90&#8242;s as Macromedia so my position is outdated.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s still not relevant to me at this point and as Adobe probably sees that web developers who are designing assets are moving towards full HTML/CSS prototypes (like I have) and for one person teams (like me) Fireworks doesn&#8217;t make sense.  But I guess it is good for a graphic designer who wants to mockup prototypes quickly without having to code html/css.  It&#8217;s just not relevant to me and I think Adobe is seeing an uptick in HTML prototyping.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adobe Love by Jeffrey Zeldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 14:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote&gt;‘Comments are moderated’&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Great, thats why i see so less negative response to this. 
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James Bernard: Actually, all comments that have been submitted so far were published immediately, without moderation. So what you see is what I&#039;ve gotten.]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>‘Comments are moderated’</p></blockquote>
<p>Great, thats why i see so less negative response to this.
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<p>James Bernard: Actually, all comments that have been submitted so far were published immediately, without moderation. So what you see is what I&#8217;ve gotten.</p>
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