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		<title>By: social network design</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2010/03/04/van-damme-thats-good-design/#comment-54006</link>
		<dc:creator>social network design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 07:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is no verity of design here ,you may think in different way and make verity of designs.</description>
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		<title>By: Amrinder</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2010/03/04/van-damme-thats-good-design/#comment-53535</link>
		<dc:creator>Amrinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice design, Indeed! Tim is an inspiration for all of us about creating original and creative websites which at the same time are usable.

However I&#039;ve found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.awayback.com/gowalla/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;few issues&lt;/a&gt; at &lt;a href=&quot;http://gowalla.com/join&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gowalla Sign-up page&lt;/a&gt;. I hope you agree with these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice design, Indeed! Tim is an inspiration for all of us about creating original and creative websites which at the same time are usable.</p>
<p>However I&#8217;ve found <a href="http://www.awayback.com/gowalla/" rel="nofollow">few issues</a> at <a href="http://gowalla.com/join" rel="nofollow">Gowalla Sign-up page</a>. I hope you agree with these.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Zeldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
one site does not a great designer make.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Although he has only been working in the field a few years, Tim has already designed a number of noteworthy, talked-about sites, through his one-person shop, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.madebyelephant.com/&quot;&gt;Made by Elephant&lt;/a&gt;. 

Made by Elephant itself was a showcase of fascinating design ideas and implementations, all of them standards-based. Alas, since Tim has stopped accepting new projects, Made by Elephant is now merely a shell, and there&#039;s no way that I can find to access Tim&#039;s portfolio.</description>
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one site does not a great designer make.
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<p>Although he has only been working in the field a few years, Tim has already designed a number of noteworthy, talked-about sites, through his one-person shop, <a href="http://www.madebyelephant.com/">Made by Elephant</a>. </p>
<p>Made by Elephant itself was a showcase of fascinating design ideas and implementations, all of them standards-based. Alas, since Tim has stopped accepting new projects, Made by Elephant is now merely a shell, and there&#8217;s no way that I can find to access Tim&#8217;s portfolio.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark @ Alchemy United</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2010/03/04/van-damme-thats-good-design/#comment-53502</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark @ Alchemy United</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice site, more or less. But one site does not a great designer make.  

Please don&#039;t shoot the messenger. I&#039;m just making a statement. One that is in fact fairly obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice site, more or less. But one site does not a great designer make.  </p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t shoot the messenger. I&#8217;m just making a statement. One that is in fact fairly obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Zeldman</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2010/03/04/van-damme-thats-good-design/#comment-53499</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The pages don’t validate. Lots of errors. But who cares about such stuff nowadays?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I care about that stuff. Many of us do.

Are you suggesting that if a site has validation errors, it&#039;s inappropriate to praise its design?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The pages don’t validate. Lots of errors. But who cares about such stuff nowadays?</p></blockquote>
<p>I care about that stuff. Many of us do.</p>
<p>Are you suggesting that if a site has validation errors, it&#8217;s inappropriate to praise its design?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone meaning me, to clarify.</description>
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		<title>By: Bertilo Wennergren</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2010/03/04/van-damme-thats-good-design/#comment-53494</link>
		<dc:creator>Bertilo Wennergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pages at gowalla.com have lots of this weirdness:

  &lt;script type=&quot;text/html&quot; &gt;

The content of those script elements are indeed HTML.

???

The pages don&#039;t validate. Lots of errors. But who cares about such stuff nowadays?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pages at gowalla.com have lots of this weirdness:</p>
<p>  &lt;script type=&#8221;text/html&#8221; &gt;</p>
<p>The content of those script elements are indeed HTML.</p>
<p>???</p>
<p>The pages don&#8217;t validate. Lots of errors. But who cares about such stuff nowadays?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in agreement with George. I love that you&#039;ve been sharing the work of other designers, and It&#039;s really been valuable to be able to read your thoughts on &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; they&#039;re good, especially from the perspective of someone just getting into the design/development field right out of school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreement with George. I love that you&#8217;ve been sharing the work of other designers, and It&#8217;s really been valuable to be able to read your thoughts on <em>why</em> they&#8217;re good, especially from the perspective of someone just getting into the design/development field right out of school.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Zeldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 13:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, George.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
What if Happy Cog organized some kind of junior designer competition? That could seriously motivate people.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I like the way you think, sir!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, George.</p>
<blockquote><p>
What if Happy Cog organized some kind of junior designer competition? That could seriously motivate people.
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<p>I like the way you think, sir!</p>
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		<title>By: George Katsanos</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2010/03/04/van-damme-thats-good-design/#comment-53413</link>
		<dc:creator>George Katsanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 03:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim&#039;s fame skyrocketed after he made his personal website, which inspired lots of people and was discussed extensively.
Lately you seem to showcase several designers Jeffrey, I find it really positive and giving to the community. It adds to the whole Internet openness thing (&quot;everyone has a chance&quot;) and reassures (me personally at least) that it&#039;s not about a clique of 10 persons being mentioned over and over again.
What if Happy Cog organized some kind of junior designer competition? That could seriously motivate people.

thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim&#8217;s fame skyrocketed after he made his personal website, which inspired lots of people and was discussed extensively.<br />
Lately you seem to showcase several designers Jeffrey, I find it really positive and giving to the community. It adds to the whole Internet openness thing (&#8220;everyone has a chance&#8221;) and reassures (me personally at least) that it&#8217;s not about a clique of 10 persons being mentioned over and over again.<br />
What if Happy Cog organized some kind of junior designer competition? That could seriously motivate people.</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Zeldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple dozen colleagues and I just spent a long day planning content strategy for a major museum. We&#039;ll have many more planning meetings before we&#039;re through. If we followed all of 37signals&#039;s advice, and threw some copy on the museum&#039;s website to see what happened, we&#039;d be misrepresenting the museum, failing its mission, offending thousands of readers (not to mention a couple dozen curators who would quickly fire our asses).

I love 37signals but their saying &quot;meetings are bullshit&quot; and &quot;planning is guessing&quot; is like the Ramones saying &quot;studying music is bullshit.&quot; Maybe for the Ramones it &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; bullshit, but I wouldn&#039;t staff the Cleveland Orchestra with untrained violinists. 

Different strokes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple dozen colleagues and I just spent a long day planning content strategy for a major museum. We&#8217;ll have many more planning meetings before we&#8217;re through. If we followed all of 37signals&#8217;s advice, and threw some copy on the museum&#8217;s website to see what happened, we&#8217;d be misrepresenting the museum, failing its mission, offending thousands of readers (not to mention a couple dozen curators who would quickly fire our asses).</p>
<p>I love 37signals but their saying &#8220;meetings are bullshit&#8221; and &#8220;planning is guessing&#8221; is like the Ramones saying &#8220;studying music is bullshit.&#8221; Maybe for the Ramones it <em>is</em> bullshit, but I wouldn&#8217;t staff the Cleveland Orchestra with untrained violinists. </p>
<p>Different strokes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Zeldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Jeffrey, I suspect the person talking about “cheating at Gowalla” was talking about you! I’ve seen you “check in” to hundreds of places you never stepped foot in but merely passed by. :-)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sir, you haven&#039;t seen me do anything of the kind, unless you&#039;ve found a way to walk beside me invisibly. If you&#039;ve set Gowalla to notify your phone every time I check into a place, then you may well have been notified in several times in a row as I check into one place after another in quick succession. For instance, I&#039;ll check into the Sex Museum on my way to Happy Cog. If I were you, I wouldn&#039;t want Gowall to notify my phone every time a friend checked in somewhere. Such notifications can be quite annoying. Hence your exaggerated impression that I was checking into &quot;hundreds&quot; of places.

And, yes, exactly, a companion who saw me do this said I was cheating at Gowalla. I asked where it said in the Gowalla rulebook that you have to actually spend significant time inside a place before you&#039;re allowed to check in. There is no such rulebook. We&#039;re all making up how Gowalla works, and the makers of Gowalla are watching us do it ... just as the makers of Twitter do.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
This is what 37 signals means in their new book “Rework” when they say “planning is guessing”.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, all planning is guessing, but you often still have to plan. I love 37signals, and &quot;Rework&quot; is a particularly liberating book. On the other hand, if you&#039;re sending a rocket to Mars, you need to have a lot of meetings and do a lot of planning. If Jason Fried worked for Nasa, I don&#039;t think he&#039;d be telling us all that meetings are bullshit and planning is bullshit. (At least I hope he wouldn&#039;t, or there would be a lot of dead astronauts.)

Different management styles work for different companies and different projects.</description>
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Jeffrey, I suspect the person talking about “cheating at Gowalla” was talking about you! I’ve seen you “check in” to hundreds of places you never stepped foot in but merely passed by. :-)
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<p>Sir, you haven&#8217;t seen me do anything of the kind, unless you&#8217;ve found a way to walk beside me invisibly. If you&#8217;ve set Gowalla to notify your phone every time I check into a place, then you may well have been notified in several times in a row as I check into one place after another in quick succession. For instance, I&#8217;ll check into the Sex Museum on my way to Happy Cog. If I were you, I wouldn&#8217;t want Gowall to notify my phone every time a friend checked in somewhere. Such notifications can be quite annoying. Hence your exaggerated impression that I was checking into &#8220;hundreds&#8221; of places.</p>
<p>And, yes, exactly, a companion who saw me do this said I was cheating at Gowalla. I asked where it said in the Gowalla rulebook that you have to actually spend significant time inside a place before you&#8217;re allowed to check in. There is no such rulebook. We&#8217;re all making up how Gowalla works, and the makers of Gowalla are watching us do it &#8230; just as the makers of Twitter do.</p>
<blockquote><p>
This is what 37 signals means in their new book “Rework” when they say “planning is guessing”.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, all planning is guessing, but you often still have to plan. I love 37signals, and &#8220;Rework&#8221; is a particularly liberating book. On the other hand, if you&#8217;re sending a rocket to Mars, you need to have a lot of meetings and do a lot of planning. If Jason Fried worked for Nasa, I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;d be telling us all that meetings are bullshit and planning is bullshit. (At least I hope he wouldn&#8217;t, or there would be a lot of dead astronauts.)</p>
<p>Different management styles work for different companies and different projects.</p>
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		<title>By: ryanMoultrup</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryanMoultrup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I have to say that I am thoroughly impressed with the redesign.</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hartman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No disrespect because it&#039;s interesting concept, viral, excellent design, and well-executed. However...

Among many other things in this period of time, this is one of those things that I think people will look back on and say, &quot;I can&#039;t believe how much time I wasted checking in to places on Gowalla.&quot; What I know, thanks to Gowalla, is that I think one of my buddies spends far too much money dining out. :)

[cue Cat&#039;s in the Cradle]

Kid: &quot;Dad, why are you always checking your phone whenever we go somewhere? Can&#039;t you just talk/play/spend time with me?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No disrespect because it&#8217;s interesting concept, viral, excellent design, and well-executed. However&#8230;</p>
<p>Among many other things in this period of time, this is one of those things that I think people will look back on and say, &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe how much time I wasted checking in to places on Gowalla.&#8221; What I know, thanks to Gowalla, is that I think one of my buddies spends far too much money dining out. :)</p>
<p>[cue Cat's in the Cradle]</p>
<p>Kid: &#8220;Dad, why are you always checking your phone whenever we go somewhere? Can&#8217;t you just talk/play/spend time with me?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Fahey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Fahey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 15:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffrey, I suspect the person talking about &quot;cheating at Gowalla&quot; was talking about you! I&#039;ve seen you &quot;check in&quot; to hundreds of places you never stepped foot in but merely passed by. :-)

Regarding not telling people what a Web 2.0 product is, Josh&#039;s answer is very revealing. Twitter was the same when it came out -- I was, like Justin, a little miffed that I&#039;d have to actually use the damn thing to learn what it was. As things turned out (and as Josh predicts will happen with Gowalla), &quot;what Twitter is&quot; evolved significantly over the first year. By inviting an adventurous community of users who don&#039;t care about usefulness or practicality to just play with Twitter, they let the service&#039;s usefulness more freely and naturally evolve.

This is risk-taking. This is what 37 signals means in their new book &quot;Rework&quot; when they say &quot;planning is guessing&quot;. There&#039;s nothing wrong with guessing, or even flailing, as long as you admit that&#039;s what you&#039;re doing. Experimentation is guessing, too. Go science!
 
It&#039;s hard for a small startup to send mixed messages to users: :&quot;you should be using this&quot; and &quot;we don&#039;t know what it is&quot;. Cheers to Gowalla, and Twitter, for striking that balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey, I suspect the person talking about &#8220;cheating at Gowalla&#8221; was talking about you! I&#8217;ve seen you &#8220;check in&#8221; to hundreds of places you never stepped foot in but merely passed by. :-)</p>
<p>Regarding not telling people what a Web 2.0 product is, Josh&#8217;s answer is very revealing. Twitter was the same when it came out &#8212; I was, like Justin, a little miffed that I&#8217;d have to actually use the damn thing to learn what it was. As things turned out (and as Josh predicts will happen with Gowalla), &#8220;what Twitter is&#8221; evolved significantly over the first year. By inviting an adventurous community of users who don&#8217;t care about usefulness or practicality to just play with Twitter, they let the service&#8217;s usefulness more freely and naturally evolve.</p>
<p>This is risk-taking. This is what 37 signals means in their new book &#8220;Rework&#8221; when they say &#8220;planning is guessing&#8221;. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with guessing, or even flailing, as long as you admit that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re doing. Experimentation is guessing, too. Go science!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard for a small startup to send mixed messages to users: :&#8221;you should be using this&#8221; and &#8220;we don&#8217;t know what it is&#8221;. Cheers to Gowalla, and Twitter, for striking that balance.</p>
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