Comments on: Last Tangle in Firefox http://www.zeldman.com/2009/11/29/helvetica-firefox-and-fontexplorer-x/ Web design news and insights since 1995 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:54:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Round Diamond Solitaire Ring http://www.zeldman.com/2009/11/29/helvetica-firefox-and-fontexplorer-x/#comment-53746 Round Diamond Solitaire Ring Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:15:39 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/?p=3132#comment-53746 It seems there are other variables at play, because this doesn’t always occur. I can’t replicate this – at least I should spot it if and when it does. It seems there are other variables at play, because this doesn’t always occur. I can’t replicate this – at least I should spot it if and when it does.

]]> By: rick http://www.zeldman.com/2009/11/29/helvetica-firefox-and-fontexplorer-x/#comment-51615 rick Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:13:09 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/?p=3132#comment-51615 so glad i searched the mozilla bugbase and followed the link here. thought i was going crazy. similar thing happening to me - a good illustrative example is www.macintouch.com. if i have my firefox default proportional font set to helvetica neue lt std (from linotype) the section headings and dates render as bold outline fonts instead of bold. if i switch to the generic helvetica neue that apple ships it works again. i'm on font agent pro 4.0.3 btw. cleared font caches (via cocktail) and that didn't seem to make a difference. btw - 3.5.7 does not exhibit this problem, only 3.6rc1 - both on snow cat 10.6.2 so glad i searched the mozilla bugbase and followed the link here. thought i was going crazy.

similar thing happening to me – a good illustrative example is http://www.macintouch.com.

if i have my firefox default proportional font set to helvetica neue lt std (from linotype) the section headings and dates render as bold outline fonts instead of bold.

if i switch to the generic helvetica neue that apple ships it works again.

i’m on font agent pro 4.0.3 btw. cleared font caches (via cocktail) and that didn’t seem to make a difference.

btw – 3.5.7 does not exhibit this problem, only 3.6rc1 – both on snow cat 10.6.2

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]]> By: Paul Irish http://www.zeldman.com/2009/11/29/helvetica-firefox-and-fontexplorer-x/#comment-50342 Paul Irish Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:19:36 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/?p=3132#comment-50342 FontExplorer is a bit more obtrusive than this, still. from <a href="http://paulirish.com/2009/bulletproof-font-face-implementation-syntax/#fontexplorerfail" rel="nofollow">http://paulirish.com/2009/bulletproof-font-face-implementation-syntax/#fontexplorerfail</a>: <blockquote> Some people experience a dialog asking for permission to use a local font. This only happens in webkit. <a href="http://img.skitch.com/20091201-cukfe92rgq9yu3pr74gmmkbbp8.png" rel="nofollow">[screenshot]</a> Thibault Bardat-Bujoli indicated that this behavior is due to Linotype FontExplorer X. For any font added but not 'activated', it will intercept requests to use it. You can disable this behavior <a href="http://paulirish.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/font-explorer-font-request-settings.png" rel="nofollow">within the FontExplorer UI [jpg]</a>. I have heard no reports of this behavior on machines lacking FontExplorer</blockquote> FontExplorer is a bit more obtrusive than this, still.

from http://paulirish.com/2009/bulletproof-font-face-implementation-syntax/#fontexplorerfail:

Some people experience a dialog asking for permission to use a local font. This only happens in webkit. [screenshot]

Thibault Bardat-Bujoli indicated that this behavior is due to Linotype FontExplorer X. For any font added but not 'activated', it will intercept requests to use it. You can disable this behavior within the FontExplorer UI [jpg]. I have heard no reports of this behavior on machines lacking FontExplorer

]]> By: awesomerobot http://www.zeldman.com/2009/11/29/helvetica-firefox-and-fontexplorer-x/#comment-50341 awesomerobot Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:28:55 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/?p=3132#comment-50341 I know everyone loves FontExplorer X - but before upgrading to pro (if you do) I REALLY recommend looking at Font Case (http://www.bohemiancoding.com/fontcase/) - if you work in an office the share feature alone it worth it. I know everyone loves FontExplorer X – but before upgrading to pro (if you do) I REALLY recommend looking at Font Case (http://www.bohemiancoding.com/fontcase/) – if you work in an office the share feature alone it worth it.

]]> By: Kari Pätilä http://www.zeldman.com/2009/11/29/helvetica-firefox-and-fontexplorer-x/#comment-50332 Kari Pätilä Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:03:07 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/?p=3132#comment-50332 The same thing happened with a fresh copy of Windows 7 after running Windows Update. No font managers or even additional fonts installed. The same thing happened with a fresh copy of Windows 7 after running Windows Update. No font managers or even additional fonts installed.

]]> By: Ben http://www.zeldman.com/2009/11/29/helvetica-firefox-and-fontexplorer-x/#comment-50322 Ben Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:51:36 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/?p=3132#comment-50322 <i>#aerm, no ?</i> Not <acronym title="in good old Germany">here</acronym>, 10.6.2 // FontExplorer X pro #aerm, no ? Not here, 10.6.2 // FontExplorer X pro

]]> By: Sam Brown http://www.zeldman.com/2009/11/29/helvetica-firefox-and-fontexplorer-x/#comment-50261 Sam Brown Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:00:56 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/?p=3132#comment-50261 I've been tearing my hair out over this problem for a few weeks now, except I am having the same issues in Safari. Will try clearing my Font Caches as John described above and if that doesn't help looks like I too will have to disable FontExplorer X. Thanks J. I’ve been tearing my hair out over this problem for a few weeks now, except I am having the same issues in Safari. Will try clearing my Font Caches as John described above and if that doesn’t help looks like I too will have to disable FontExplorer X. Thanks J.

]]> By: Wez Maynard http://www.zeldman.com/2009/11/29/helvetica-firefox-and-fontexplorer-x/#comment-50255 Wez Maynard Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:10:12 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/?p=3132#comment-50255 I had the same problem with Font Agent Pro - the issue is with system fonts rolled up in the OS - and my 'proper' versions of helvetica/neue (all 100+ of them) in my font agent. Again disabling these fonts has cleared the issue... Just need to remember to turn them back on for Print work. :( Im running Leopard btw - which i loathe. Tiger 'just worked', kinda wish i didn't upgrade. I'll be giving Snow Leopard a miss - thats for sure! I had the same problem with Font Agent Pro – the issue is with system fonts rolled up in the OS – and my ‘proper’ versions of helvetica/neue (all 100+ of them) in my font agent.

Again disabling these fonts has cleared the issue… Just need to remember to turn them back on for Print work. :( Im running Leopard btw – which i loathe. Tiger ‘just worked’, kinda wish i didn’t upgrade. I’ll be giving Snow Leopard a miss – thats for sure!

]]> By: John Daggett http://www.zeldman.com/2009/11/29/helvetica-firefox-and-fontexplorer-x/#comment-50254 John Daggett Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:18:26 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/?p=3132#comment-50254 Jeffrey, Did you clear the font cache after upgrading? We've had reports of various problems that appear to boil down to font cache corruption problems. Reboot, hold down Shift to reboot in Safe Mode (which clears font caches), then reboot again normally. Also, do you have other versions of Helvetica Neue around, beyond the ones that Apple ships? Are they Type1 or OpenType? And what's the version of Font Explorer X you were using, I'd like to see if I can duplicate the problem. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531771 Cheers, John Daggett Mozilla Japan Jeffrey,

Did you clear the font cache after upgrading? We’ve had reports of various problems that appear to boil down to font cache corruption problems. Reboot, hold down Shift to reboot in Safe Mode (which clears font caches), then reboot again normally.

Also, do you have other versions of Helvetica Neue around, beyond the ones that Apple ships? Are they Type1 or OpenType? And what’s the version of Font Explorer X you were using, I’d like to see if I can duplicate the problem.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531771

Cheers,

John Daggett
Mozilla Japan

]]> By: Oh Hai http://www.zeldman.com/2009/11/29/helvetica-firefox-and-fontexplorer-x/#comment-50230 Oh Hai Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:41:32 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/?p=3132#comment-50230 Another reason to abandon Firefox. Another reason to abandon Firefox.

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]]> By: 일모리와 웹표준 http://www.zeldman.com/2009/11/29/helvetica-firefox-and-fontexplorer-x/#comment-50224 일모리와 웹표준 Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:18:13 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/?p=3132#comment-50224 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Last Tangle in Firefox » Jeffrey Zeldman 7 hours ago [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Last Tangle in Firefox » Jeffrey Zeldman 7 hours ago [...]

]]> By: Dominic http://www.zeldman.com/2009/11/29/helvetica-firefox-and-fontexplorer-x/#comment-50219 Dominic Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:22:20 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/?p=3132#comment-50219 It seems there are other variables at play, because this doesn't always occur. I can't replicate this - at least I should spot it if and when it does. It seems there are other variables at play, because this doesn’t always occur. I can’t replicate this – at least I should spot it if and when it does.

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