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		<title>By: Michael Kozakewich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kozakewich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IE9 has plans to change from that older rendering to an ActiveX-based font rendering. A screenshot they posted looks like quite a difference, but one never knows if that&#039;s exactly what would happen, or if it&#039;s an artist&#039;s rendition.

Hopefully, fonts will at least look good in IE9, even if IE7 and IE8 continue to look sloppy.
I have no clue where Firefox is, as far as font-rendering is concerned.
It would be interesting, though, to see where things are different between installed fonts and embedded files.

(PS. Oh! I notice you got rid of the hot fire question! Have you noticed changes in spam rates?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IE9 has plans to change from that older rendering to an ActiveX-based font rendering. A screenshot they posted looks like quite a difference, but one never knows if that&#8217;s exactly what would happen, or if it&#8217;s an artist&#8217;s rendition.</p>
<p>Hopefully, fonts will at least look good in IE9, even if IE7 and IE8 continue to look sloppy.<br />
I have no clue where Firefox is, as far as font-rendering is concerned.<br />
It would be interesting, though, to see where things are different between installed fonts and embedded files.</p>
<p>(PS. Oh! I notice you got rid of the hot fire question! Have you noticed changes in spam rates?)</p>
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		<title>By: Font is a Four Letter Word.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Font is a Four Letter Word.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Does all this reading about fonts make you want to read more about fonts? Us too. Feed your font goat his fill. [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Does all this reading about fonts make you want to read more about fonts? Us too. Feed your font goat his fill. [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: House Party &#8211; Jeffrey Zeldman Presents The Daily Report</title>
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		<dc:creator>House Party &#8211; Jeffrey Zeldman Presents The Daily Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Problem: We have the fonts, we have the CSS and the workaround for IE. What we don’t have is beautiful, reliable, consistent cross-platform rendering of real fonts like Gotham, Franklin, Garamond, etc. — 29 October 2009 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Problem: We have the fonts, we have the CSS and the workaround for IE. What we don’t have is beautiful, reliable, consistent cross-platform rendering of real fonts like Gotham, Franklin, Garamond, etc. — 29 October 2009 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Zeldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;

As a designer of websites, I’m looking forward to this. As a user of websites, I am a little fearful. Poorly designed websites that thwart usability will now have the added option of ill-advised typeface choices.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agree with you. But that has been true of every advance on the web, from font size to JavaScript. 9px Arial. Pages that fail if you&#039;re not using the &quot;right&quot; browser, don&#039;t have scripting turned on, can&#039;t use a mouse, etc.

With every advance, some bad sites get worse, but the medium crawls forward.

(I kind of think this is the story of human history.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael said:</p>
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<p>As a designer of websites, I’m looking forward to this. As a user of websites, I am a little fearful. Poorly designed websites that thwart usability will now have the added option of ill-advised typeface choices.</p>
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<p>Agree with you. But that has been true of every advance on the web, from font size to JavaScript. 9px Arial. Pages that fail if you&#8217;re not using the &#8220;right&#8221; browser, don&#8217;t have scripting turned on, can&#8217;t use a mouse, etc.</p>
<p>With every advance, some bad sites get worse, but the medium crawls forward.</p>
<p>(I kind of think this is the story of human history.)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a designer of websites, I&#039;m looking forward to this. As a user of websites, I am a little fearful. Poorly designed websites that thwart usability will now have the added option of ill-advised typeface choices.

I am also curious about the aggregate effect on the average web experience. Do users currently benefit from a limited number of options, specifically when it comes to body copy, when moving from site to site? Will widespread use of embedding fonts change this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a designer of websites, I&#8217;m looking forward to this. As a user of websites, I am a little fearful. Poorly designed websites that thwart usability will now have the added option of ill-advised typeface choices.</p>
<p>I am also curious about the aggregate effect on the average web experience. Do users currently benefit from a limited number of options, specifically when it comes to body copy, when moving from site to site? Will widespread use of embedding fonts change this?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Zeldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Please don’t repeat foundries’/microsoft’s false dychtomy.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m repeating Microsoft&#039;s rationale for creating the Embedded Open Type format, not stating an opinion about piracy and whether EOT or any format can prevent a dedicated thief from stealing fonts.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
You haven’t ever tried to pirate fonts, have you?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Funny story.

I stole fonts through not knowing any better when I first started using a Macintosh to do art direction. 

Here&#039;s how uninformed I was. I not only didn&#039;t know what I was doing was stealing, I also didn&#039;t know how to do it. I took home bitmaps on a floppy drive, not realizing they were useless without the Postscript file. When I brought them home, I wondered why they were jaggy—and I kind of dug the jaggy look. It felt &quot;computery.&quot; Years later I would deliberate incorporate jagginess into my earliest website designs, to communicate &quot;internetiness,&quot; &quot;computerness,&quot; etc. 

Of course we were all having fun visually with jaggies and visible pixels and extremely limited color palettes back at the start of web design. Calling attention to the medium was just the postmodern thing to do. 

I suppose if we had been around at the beginning of cinema, we would have made sure the sprocket holes showed up onscreen.

But I digress.

Windows and real type on the web. That is the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Please don’t repeat foundries’/microsoft’s false dychtomy.
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<p>I&#8217;m repeating Microsoft&#8217;s rationale for creating the Embedded Open Type format, not stating an opinion about piracy and whether EOT or any format can prevent a dedicated thief from stealing fonts.</p>
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You haven’t ever tried to pirate fonts, have you?
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<p>Funny story.</p>
<p>I stole fonts through not knowing any better when I first started using a Macintosh to do art direction. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how uninformed I was. I not only didn&#8217;t know what I was doing was stealing, I also didn&#8217;t know how to do it. I took home bitmaps on a floppy drive, not realizing they were useless without the Postscript file. When I brought them home, I wondered why they were jaggy—and I kind of dug the jaggy look. It felt &#8220;computery.&#8221; Years later I would deliberate incorporate jagginess into my earliest website designs, to communicate &#8220;internetiness,&#8221; &#8220;computerness,&#8221; etc. </p>
<p>Of course we were all having fun visually with jaggies and visible pixels and extremely limited color palettes back at the start of web design. Calling attention to the medium was just the postmodern thing to do. </p>
<p>I suppose if we had been around at the beginning of cinema, we would have made sure the sprocket holes showed up onscreen.</p>
<p>But I digress.</p>
<p>Windows and real type on the web. That is the question.</p>
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		<title>By: jllk</title>
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		<dc:creator>jllk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EOT is stopping font piracy as much as WMA stopped music piracy!

Please don&#039;t repeat foundries&#039;/microsoft&#039;s false dychtomy.

Pirates will simply continue to use TTF, and convert TTF to EOT when needed. Non-official tool is much easier to use than Microsoft-sanctioned one. 

And nobody cares about downloading individual fonts off the sites when you can get 10,000 font DVD torrent.  

You haven&#039;t ever tried to pirate fonts, have you? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EOT is stopping font piracy as much as WMA stopped music piracy!</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t repeat foundries&#8217;/microsoft&#8217;s false dychtomy.</p>
<p>Pirates will simply continue to use TTF, and convert TTF to EOT when needed. Non-official tool is much easier to use than Microsoft-sanctioned one. </p>
<p>And nobody cares about downloading individual fonts off the sites when you can get 10,000 font DVD torrent.  </p>
<p>You haven&#8217;t ever tried to pirate fonts, have you? :)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Cranfill</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2009/10/27/web-fonts-real-type-on-the-web-design-typography-fonts-webdesign/#comment-49464</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Cranfill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You hit the nail on the head, Jeffrey.

As a &lt;em&gt;designer&lt;/em&gt;, I&#039;m excited about the possibility of rich Web typography. On the other hand, as a &lt;em&gt;Windows user&lt;/em&gt; (who prefers to browse and develop in something other than Safari), every time I go to a website with body copy set in anything other than the Core Fonts for the Web or the new ClearType Collection, I want to &lt;em&gt;stab myself in the eye with a fork&lt;/em&gt;.

I do wish Microsoft or browser-makers would improve rendering of the more adventurous fonts, but until that becomes widespread, I implore designers to stop using other fonts for body copy! (Display type is generally okay.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You hit the nail on the head, Jeffrey.</p>
<p>As a <em>designer</em>, I&#8217;m excited about the possibility of rich Web typography. On the other hand, as a <em>Windows user</em> (who prefers to browse and develop in something other than Safari), every time I go to a website with body copy set in anything other than the Core Fonts for the Web or the new ClearType Collection, I want to <em>stab myself in the eye with a fork</em>.</p>
<p>I do wish Microsoft or browser-makers would improve rendering of the more adventurous fonts, but until that becomes widespread, I implore designers to stop using other fonts for body copy! (Display type is generally okay.)</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree!  I&#039;ts really frustrating to see a site we design in mac and then take a look at it in windows.  Even Arial looks awful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree!  I&#8217;ts really frustrating to see a site we design in mac and then take a look at it in windows.  Even Arial looks awful.</p>
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		<title>By: Jairus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jairus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we&#039;re at it, Microsoft missed a great opportunity when they completely fucked up the metrics of the new Vista Web Fonts. The caps height and x-height are much smaller than they should be, which means you can&#039;t just add Calibri/etc. to your font-family declarations and have it look good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we&#8217;re at it, Microsoft missed a great opportunity when they completely fucked up the metrics of the new Vista Web Fonts. The caps height and x-height are much smaller than they should be, which means you can&#8217;t just add Calibri/etc. to your font-family declarations and have it look good.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Kandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ Kandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cloud computing may move the guts of an operation away from the desktop, but unless broadband gets as fast as a DVI connection, I&#039;m guessing font rendering will almost always happen on the client device. This is why choosing the right subpixel rendering algorithm is important. I prefer the Mac OS&#039;s way of doing it, but I&#039;ve met plenty of people that like their fonts pixelated, because they complain that ClearType etc is &quot;too blurry.&quot; How do you accommodate everyone&#039;s preferences?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cloud computing may move the guts of an operation away from the desktop, but unless broadband gets as fast as a DVI connection, I&#8217;m guessing font rendering will almost always happen on the client device. This is why choosing the right subpixel rendering algorithm is important. I prefer the Mac OS&#8217;s way of doing it, but I&#8217;ve met plenty of people that like their fonts pixelated, because they complain that ClearType etc is &#8220;too blurry.&#8221; How do you accommodate everyone&#8217;s preferences?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is Windows 7  with a better ClearType (my opinion). On all other versions of Windows, I directly switched of ClearType, but since Windows 7 RC I let it do its job. 
And with all the Apple-love around, you should consider that there is an option to disable the font smoothing on OSX and many &quot;nerds&quot; so this. 

An all Websites we use sIFR and I think its the best solution (for Headlines), cause the fallback to normal CSS styling is a good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is Windows 7  with a better ClearType (my opinion). On all other versions of Windows, I directly switched of ClearType, but since Windows 7 RC I let it do its job.<br />
And with all the Apple-love around, you should consider that there is an option to disable the font smoothing on OSX and many &#8220;nerds&#8221; so this. </p>
<p>An all Websites we use sIFR and I think its the best solution (for Headlines), cause the fallback to normal CSS styling is a good one.</p>
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		<title>By: elpaulito</title>
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		<dc:creator>elpaulito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been steering away from typekit as well. I love the idea, but, since MS doesnt want to play nice...... why out in the work? 

How is font rendering in the new MS OS? I have not looked? Are they still jag?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been steering away from typekit as well. I love the idea, but, since MS doesnt want to play nice&#8230;&#8230; why out in the work? </p>
<p>How is font rendering in the new MS OS? I have not looked? Are they still jag?</p>
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		<title>By: Thorvald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thorvald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Jeffrey. I totally agree.

We are currently experiencing that issue while testing a new website for client.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Jeffrey. I totally agree.</p>
<p>We are currently experiencing that issue while testing a new website for client.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree. I skipped using TypeKit because of this — I&#039;d rather Windows users see good looking pngs than bad-looking text, at least for stuff like logos/mastheads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree. I skipped using TypeKit because of this — I&#8217;d rather Windows users see good looking pngs than bad-looking text, at least for stuff like logos/mastheads.</p>
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