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	<title>Comments on: Apple OS X 10.5.7 overheats some Macs</title>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2009/06/06/apple-os-x-1057-overheats-some-macs/#comment-47373</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 05:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My iMac seems to be significantly cooler a few days after installing 10.5.8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My iMac seems to be significantly cooler a few days after installing 10.5.8.</p>
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		<title>By: Blazing HOT Imac 24&#34;/3.06 - AppleInsider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blazing HOT Imac 24&#34;/3.06 - AppleInsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] convinced its a widespread design flaw.    backtomac,  If you haven&#039;t already, you might check out http://www.zeldman.com/2009/06/06/ap...ats-some-macs/. Lots of HOT mac talk and links to more HOT mac [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] convinced its a widespread design flaw.    backtomac,  If you haven&#39;t already, you might check out <a href="http://www.zeldman.com/2009/06/06/ap...ats-some-macs/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zeldman.com/2009/06/06/ap&#8230;ats-some-macs/</a>. Lots of HOT mac talk and links to more HOT mac [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: katso viestiketjua - MacBookin tuuletin huutaa 10.5.7 päivityksen jälkeen - Hopeinen Omena</title>
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		<dc:creator>katso viestiketjua - MacBookin tuuletin huutaa 10.5.7 päivityksen jälkeen - Hopeinen Omena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] (nämä on joillain aiheuttaneet samantyyppisiä oireita).Samaa vaivaa on myös joissa iMaceissä:http://www.zeldman.com/2009/06/06/apple ... some-macs/Onko muilla MacBookien tai iMacien käyttäjillä ilmennyt tätä riesaa, saati että olisi keksinyt [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] (nämä on joillain aiheuttaneet samantyyppisiä oireita).Samaa vaivaa on myös joissa iMaceissä:http://www.zeldman.com/2009/06/06/apple &#8230; some-macs/Onko muilla MacBookien tai iMacien käyttäjillä ilmennyt tätä riesaa, saati että olisi keksinyt [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Zeldman</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2009/06/06/apple-os-x-1057-overheats-some-macs/#comment-46848</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, folks!

Good news, so far.

On the second day after installing 10.5.8 on the laptop, it no longer overheats and shuts down.

I can go to the MacBook and click its keyboard and it wakes from sleep, like a viable Macintosh computer, instead of like a dying thing. 

It&#039;s too early to be sure that 10.5.8 fixed what 10.5.7 so painfully broke. In another week, if the laptop still wakes normally from sleep, I&#039;ll conclude that 10.5.8 does indeed fix the severe overheating problem that 10.5.7 introduced. 

Watch this space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, folks!</p>
<p>Good news, so far.</p>
<p>On the second day after installing 10.5.8 on the laptop, it no longer overheats and shuts down.</p>
<p>I can go to the MacBook and click its keyboard and it wakes from sleep, like a viable Macintosh computer, instead of like a dying thing. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s too early to be sure that 10.5.8 fixed what 10.5.7 so painfully broke. In another week, if the laptop still wakes normally from sleep, I&#8217;ll conclude that 10.5.8 does indeed fix the severe overheating problem that 10.5.7 introduced. </p>
<p>Watch this space.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Pitts</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2009/06/06/apple-os-x-1057-overheats-some-macs/#comment-46833</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Pitts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, I&#039;ve had great success with undervolting my 2.33Ghz Core 2 Duo 15&quot; MacBook Pro by using CookBookController.

What it does is allow you to test for stable voltages lower than the defaults for your computer&#039;s various speed steps. Instead of running at 1.18v at 2.33GHz, this allows you to set it to something lower. Lower voltage = lower temperatures and longer battery life. I have been able to drop mine to 1.0875v at full throttle.

It&#039;s not free at $10, but is one of the best ways I&#039;ve spent $10 on my Mac:
http://www.coolbook.se/CoolBook.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I&#8217;ve had great success with undervolting my 2.33Ghz Core 2 Duo 15&#8243; MacBook Pro by using CookBookController.</p>
<p>What it does is allow you to test for stable voltages lower than the defaults for your computer&#8217;s various speed steps. Instead of running at 1.18v at 2.33GHz, this allows you to set it to something lower. Lower voltage = lower temperatures and longer battery life. I have been able to drop mine to 1.0875v at full throttle.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not free at $10, but is one of the best ways I&#8217;ve spent $10 on my Mac:<br />
<a href="http://www.coolbook.se/CoolBook.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.coolbook.se/CoolBook.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you&#039;ve been watching  this. I&#039;ll try the update and hopefully cut the cord between my AC window unit and the back of my Mac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you&#8217;ve been watching  this. I&#8217;ll try the update and hopefully cut the cord between my AC window unit and the back of my Mac.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Burd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Burd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffery,

Thanks for the post,
As I am new to using Mac in general, I have had my Macbook for about a month or so. I do find that it gets warmer than a PC in general, but I have had no problems with it over-heating as of yet.

Its kind of a pain when computers act up.. I know. 

Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffery,</p>
<p>Thanks for the post,<br />
As I am new to using Mac in general, I have had my Macbook for about a month or so. I do find that it gets warmer than a PC in general, but I have had no problems with it over-heating as of yet.</p>
<p>Its kind of a pain when computers act up.. I know. </p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Jed Christiansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jed Christiansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffrey,

Thanks a TON for posting/blogging about this issue.  While my black MacBook was never as affected as your MacBook Pro, it&#039;s definitely run a lot hotter with 10.5.7.

I&#039;m installing 10.5.8 this weekend, and hope to see the same results you&#039;ve had!

Cheers,
Jed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey,</p>
<p>Thanks a TON for posting/blogging about this issue.  While my black MacBook was never as affected as your MacBook Pro, it&#8217;s definitely run a lot hotter with 10.5.7.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m installing 10.5.8 this weekend, and hope to see the same results you&#8217;ve had!</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Jed</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Zeldman</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2009/06/06/apple-os-x-1057-overheats-some-macs/#comment-46829</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@shadow: 

Don&#039;t know if 10.5.8 quietly solves the overheating issue. Will find out soon. I&#039;ve installed 10.5.8 on one machine, my home iMac, with no problems so far after several days&#039; use. (I repaired disk permissions and cleared caches immediately after installing via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.maintain.se/cocktail/&quot;&gt;Cocktail&lt;/a&gt; in &quot;Pilot&quot; mode.) The Mac feels slightly peppier after the update, but that could be the coffee talking.

Of the three Macs affected by 10.5.7-itis, the MacBook Pro laptop was worst hurt. It still shuts itself down constantly after overheating. I can never just wake it from sleep. I always have to hard-wake it by leaning on the power button. MacBooks are famous for overheating, but this one did not do so until I installed 10.5.7. Now that I&#039;ve installed 10.5.8 on the home iMac with no trouble, I&#039;ll install it on the laptop next.

If the overheating and unwanted power-down issue improves, I&#039;ll shut off smcFanControl (or neuter it) and see what happens. Keep watching the skies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shadow: </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know if 10.5.8 quietly solves the overheating issue. Will find out soon. I&#8217;ve installed 10.5.8 on one machine, my home iMac, with no problems so far after several days&#8217; use. (I repaired disk permissions and cleared caches immediately after installing via <a href="http://www.maintain.se/cocktail/">Cocktail</a> in &#8220;Pilot&#8221; mode.) The Mac feels slightly peppier after the update, but that could be the coffee talking.</p>
<p>Of the three Macs affected by 10.5.7-itis, the MacBook Pro laptop was worst hurt. It still shuts itself down constantly after overheating. I can never just wake it from sleep. I always have to hard-wake it by leaning on the power button. MacBooks are famous for overheating, but this one did not do so until I installed 10.5.7. Now that I&#8217;ve installed 10.5.8 on the home iMac with no trouble, I&#8217;ll install it on the laptop next.</p>
<p>If the overheating and unwanted power-down issue improves, I&#8217;ll shut off smcFanControl (or neuter it) and see what happens. Keep watching the skies.</p>
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		<title>By: shadow</title>
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		<dc:creator>shadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been holding off with installing the 10.5.7 on my aluminum iMac, but now we have 10.5.8 available.
Does it change anything when it comes to overheating?
Is the issue resolved?
I don&#039;t see spinning the fans harder a viable, long-term solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been holding off with installing the 10.5.7 on my aluminum iMac, but now we have 10.5.8 available.<br />
Does it change anything when it comes to overheating?<br />
Is the issue resolved?<br />
I don&#8217;t see spinning the fans harder a viable, long-term solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Carabott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Carabott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s frustrating that there has been no mention of a fix on Apple&#039;s end.  My iMac 2.66ghz (early 2008) is running smoothly for a while under smcfancontrol but I&#039;ve noticed that my Vista partition is labouring no matter what the condition of the fans.  This has me worried that overheating has caused damage to the hard drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s frustrating that there has been no mention of a fix on Apple&#8217;s end.  My iMac 2.66ghz (early 2008) is running smoothly for a while under smcfancontrol but I&#8217;ve noticed that my Vista partition is labouring no matter what the condition of the fans.  This has me worried that overheating has caused damage to the hard drive.</p>
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		<title>By: trimethy</title>
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		<dc:creator>trimethy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeffrey, 

My excuses for not being clear.

I was referring to the thermal cooling paste that gets applied to the heat sink that sits on top of the GPU and CPU (much the same as what you would do if you upgrade a CPU on a x86 system. (sorry for my bad choice in English words but I thought that&#039;s the correct term to use). 

So I had to take apart my macbook pro in order to complete this procedure and it took about 1h to do so with the correct screw driver set . Mine is out of warranty any way and was quite desperate to get this heat issue resolved. 

Sorry to hear that your combo update didn&#039;t fix it. I noticed a definite change between the live update (whish crashed) and the offline combo update. I have to mention that re applying the combo update on a failed 10.5.7 didn&#039;t result in any improvements, I had to go back to 10.5.6 (I made a backup of 10.5.6 prior of upgrading to 10.5.7) and do the update. 

If the above would have failed on me I would have continued with cleaning out the system caches and performing an SMC reset. 

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1411

And 


&lt;a href=&quot;http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/BPSystemStartup/Articles/BootProcess.html&quot;&gt;For more info on how OS X uses cache files and the boot procedure&lt;/a&gt;

Cheers,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeffrey, </p>
<p>My excuses for not being clear.</p>
<p>I was referring to the thermal cooling paste that gets applied to the heat sink that sits on top of the GPU and CPU (much the same as what you would do if you upgrade a CPU on a x86 system. (sorry for my bad choice in English words but I thought that&#8217;s the correct term to use). </p>
<p>So I had to take apart my macbook pro in order to complete this procedure and it took about 1h to do so with the correct screw driver set . Mine is out of warranty any way and was quite desperate to get this heat issue resolved. </p>
<p>Sorry to hear that your combo update didn&#8217;t fix it. I noticed a definite change between the live update (whish crashed) and the offline combo update. I have to mention that re applying the combo update on a failed 10.5.7 didn&#8217;t result in any improvements, I had to go back to 10.5.6 (I made a backup of 10.5.6 prior of upgrading to 10.5.7) and do the update. </p>
<p>If the above would have failed on me I would have continued with cleaning out the system caches and performing an SMC reset. </p>
<p><a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1411" rel="nofollow">http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1411</a></p>
<p>And </p>
<p><a href="http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/BPSystemStartup/Articles/BootProcess.html">For more info on how OS X uses cache files and the boot procedure</a></p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Zeldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As mentioned in this post or another, the Combo updater unfortunately did not fix the overheating problem on my Macs.

I don&#039;t know what you mean by this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;replacing the cooling past. Cleaning up the badly applied paste on the thermal conductor reduced the heat issue with 25%.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It sounds intriguing and important, but I don&#039;t know what a &quot;paste on [a] thermal conductor&quot; is.

Do you mean you opened the machine, unglued a piece of hardware, and re-glued it? Surely that is not what Apple expects owners of iMacs and MacBooks to do. Forgive my ignorance, I just don&#039;t understand what you mean. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As mentioned in this post or another, the Combo updater unfortunately did not fix the overheating problem on my Macs.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what you mean by this:</p>
<blockquote><p>replacing the cooling past. Cleaning up the badly applied paste on the thermal conductor reduced the heat issue with 25%.</p></blockquote>
<p>It sounds intriguing and important, but I don&#8217;t know what a &#8220;paste on [a] thermal conductor&#8221; is.</p>
<p>Do you mean you opened the machine, unglued a piece of hardware, and re-glued it? Surely that is not what Apple expects owners of iMacs and MacBooks to do. Forgive my ignorance, I just don&#8217;t understand what you mean. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: trimethy</title>
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		<dc:creator>trimethy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed the same issue with my first gen macbook pro.
After searching the interwebs I came across 2 subjects that helped resolving my heat/stability issue. The first one was to upgrade again from 10.5.6 to 10.5.7 by using the combo update and performing it in single user mode, and the second and most notable one was replacing the cooling past. Cleaning up the badly applied paste on the thermal conductor reduced the heat issue with 25%. Initially after applying the 10.5.7 patch and replacing the cooling paste the system stability still resulted in random shutdown while performing a Disk permission check, this disappeared after a reboot (the system seems stable now and comparing temperatures between 10.5.6 and 10.5.7 results in the same readings under similar load). End result, before the above procedure the CPU temp was some where around 90 and 120 degrees Celsius it now doesn&#039;t get higher than 80 degrees while under heavy load. Hope this helps some one. 
Cheers,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed the same issue with my first gen macbook pro.<br />
After searching the interwebs I came across 2 subjects that helped resolving my heat/stability issue. The first one was to upgrade again from 10.5.6 to 10.5.7 by using the combo update and performing it in single user mode, and the second and most notable one was replacing the cooling past. Cleaning up the badly applied paste on the thermal conductor reduced the heat issue with 25%. Initially after applying the 10.5.7 patch and replacing the cooling paste the system stability still resulted in random shutdown while performing a Disk permission check, this disappeared after a reboot (the system seems stable now and comparing temperatures between 10.5.6 and 10.5.7 results in the same readings under similar load). End result, before the above procedure the CPU temp was some where around 90 and 120 degrees Celsius it now doesn&#8217;t get higher than 80 degrees while under heavy load. Hope this helps some one.<br />
Cheers,</p>
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		<title>By: The fake problem that cost me a day of my life; Plus, a real problem...</title>
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		<dc:creator>The fake problem that cost me a day of my life; Plus, a real problem...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] and came across the following article whish confirmed my suspision about the 10.5.7 patch: http://www.zeldman.com/2009/06/06/apple-os-x-1057-overheats-some-macs/          Logged         Pages: [1] &#160;&#160;Go [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] and came across the following article whish confirmed my suspision about the 10.5.7 patch: <a href="http://www.zeldman.com/2009/06/06/apple-os-x-1057-overheats-some-macs/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zeldman.com/2009/06/06/apple-os-x-1057-overheats-some-macs/</a>          Logged         Pages: [1] &nbsp;&nbsp;Go [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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