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	<title>Comments on: Protest the Orphan Works Bills</title>
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		<title>By: Orphaned Works on Flickr - Photo Sharing!</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/#comment-51316</link>
		<dc:creator>Orphaned Works on Flickr - Photo Sharing!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 04:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] the Orphaned Works bill. Surprisingly, they took the time to respond, albeit with a form letter.  www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/  capwiz.com/illustratorspartnership/home/&#160;   To take full advantage of Flickr, you should use [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] the Orphaned Works bill. Surprisingly, they took the time to respond, albeit with a form letter.  <a href="http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/</a>  capwiz.com/illustratorspartnership/home/&nbsp;   To take full advantage of Flickr, you should use [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Sherwin</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/#comment-40642</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Sherwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the Senior Editor for www.myartspace.com. I oppose the Orphan Works bill in its current form. The rights of artists must be defended. I invited Brad Holland to respond to an interview I had with Alex Curtis of Public Knowledge. Feel free to post excerpts if you wish. It is a very long post-- but is worth the read.

http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2009/01/brad-holland-responds-to-public.html 

Warm regards,

Brian Sherwin
Senior Editor / Myartspace Blog
www.myartspace.com/blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the Senior Editor for <a href="http://www.myartspace.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.myartspace.com</a>. I oppose the Orphan Works bill in its current form. The rights of artists must be defended. I invited Brad Holland to respond to an interview I had with Alex Curtis of Public Knowledge. Feel free to post excerpts if you wish. It is a very long post&#8211; but is worth the read.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2009/01/brad-holland-responds-to-public.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2009/01/brad-holland-responds-to-public.html</a> </p>
<p>Warm regards,</p>
<p>Brian Sherwin<br />
Senior Editor / Myartspace Blog<br />
<a href="http://www.myartspace.com/blog" rel="nofollow">http://www.myartspace.com/blog</a></p>
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		<title>By: controversial orphans &#171; Silly Girls In Dresses</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/#comment-38541</link>
		<dc:creator>controversial orphans &#171; Silly Girls In Dresses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] issue of orphan works first really came to the table in the government)  that this bill is out to &#8220;steal&#8221; their works, that major corporations will use it to gather up works for their own use, and that all of your [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Orphan Works Debate &#171; Design Changes Us</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/#comment-38336</link>
		<dc:creator>The Orphan Works Debate &#171; Design Changes Us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Orphan Works&#160;Debate  I recently came across an article by Jeffrey Zeldman notifying visual artists of a bill that is going to be pushed through Congress [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/#comment-38335</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel compelled to respond to this thread for a few reasons, all of which are about how this bill exposes some fundamental problems with our current system, not of law, but of practice. The first reason is more to vent about the way our government works. I.E. &quot;it&#039;s government&#039;s job to screw us and our job to take it.&quot; So today it&#039;s creatives they&#039;re screwing, tomorrow it&#039;ll be immigrants, the day after that it will be people who don&#039;t recycle. Anything to collect a fine, especially if they can receive &quot;gifts&quot; for doing it. There&#039;s your reason for the fast track. It makes money for the government period. I&#039;ve decided to accept that we&#039;re ruled by a committee of monarchs and we have about as much say in what is done with the money they take from us as we would in medieval times. (venting done, thank you)

The second reason I&#039;m responding is to express my desire to see the marketing / advertising world to change. Why don&#039;t agencies openly take credit for the work they do? If this were the norm, it would be easier to shop for firms to work with and the client could wear the firm&#039;s brand with pride. Why should clients entrust their brands with individuals who don&#039;t market themselves to the fullest? We need to stop seeing this client - agency relationship as a master-servant relationship and start seeing it as a partnership. What&#039;s good for our client is good for our reputation. With our brand on the media, there is no question of authorship.

As for the argument of &quot;I found this work that was stolen and I couldn&#039;t find the real author, therefore I am not culpable&quot;, the person who stole the work to begin with is the person who should be prosecuted and should be documented in the second infringer&#039;s &quot;research&quot;. Just as receiving stolen goods is a crime, using stolen works should also be and the first infringer is still to be tried. As for an individual&#039;s likeness. There is no disputing this. You are who you are. If someone uses your likeness without your permission and doesn&#039;t have a release, this is a violation of your privacy not the copyright you own on your likeness. The first court these go to may read the letter of the law as strictly as the nay-sayers above, but on appeal, no higher court would rule for either infringer mentioned above. This law is not meant to defend the theft of works that are a year old. It is meant for books that are out of print from publishers that are out of business written by people who cannot be found. Judges are people. They will interpret the law and it is their interpretation that sets precedent for the courts. (pessimists see reason one above)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel compelled to respond to this thread for a few reasons, all of which are about how this bill exposes some fundamental problems with our current system, not of law, but of practice. The first reason is more to vent about the way our government works. I.E. &#8220;it&#8217;s government&#8217;s job to screw us and our job to take it.&#8221; So today it&#8217;s creatives they&#8217;re screwing, tomorrow it&#8217;ll be immigrants, the day after that it will be people who don&#8217;t recycle. Anything to collect a fine, especially if they can receive &#8220;gifts&#8221; for doing it. There&#8217;s your reason for the fast track. It makes money for the government period. I&#8217;ve decided to accept that we&#8217;re ruled by a committee of monarchs and we have about as much say in what is done with the money they take from us as we would in medieval times. (venting done, thank you)</p>
<p>The second reason I&#8217;m responding is to express my desire to see the marketing / advertising world to change. Why don&#8217;t agencies openly take credit for the work they do? If this were the norm, it would be easier to shop for firms to work with and the client could wear the firm&#8217;s brand with pride. Why should clients entrust their brands with individuals who don&#8217;t market themselves to the fullest? We need to stop seeing this client &#8211; agency relationship as a master-servant relationship and start seeing it as a partnership. What&#8217;s good for our client is good for our reputation. With our brand on the media, there is no question of authorship.</p>
<p>As for the argument of &#8220;I found this work that was stolen and I couldn&#8217;t find the real author, therefore I am not culpable&#8221;, the person who stole the work to begin with is the person who should be prosecuted and should be documented in the second infringer&#8217;s &#8220;research&#8221;. Just as receiving stolen goods is a crime, using stolen works should also be and the first infringer is still to be tried. As for an individual&#8217;s likeness. There is no disputing this. You are who you are. If someone uses your likeness without your permission and doesn&#8217;t have a release, this is a violation of your privacy not the copyright you own on your likeness. The first court these go to may read the letter of the law as strictly as the nay-sayers above, but on appeal, no higher court would rule for either infringer mentioned above. This law is not meant to defend the theft of works that are a year old. It is meant for books that are out of print from publishers that are out of business written by people who cannot be found. Judges are people. They will interpret the law and it is their interpretation that sets precedent for the courts. (pessimists see reason one above)</p>
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		<title>By: wael</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/#comment-38334</link>
		<dc:creator>wael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul
i Was just joking. i was trying to be sarcastic. sorry if i offended you in anyway. this was not my intentions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul<br />
i Was just joking. i was trying to be sarcastic. sorry if i offended you in anyway. this was not my intentions.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/#comment-38306</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;i personally hate copyrighting. i wish there is no copyrighting at all and everything becomes for free. this is just my opinion&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Appalling. It makes me sick that you&#039;re even allowed to &quot;design&quot; and &quot;sell&quot; artistic services to others. You obviously don&#039;t have anything worth a copyright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>i personally hate copyrighting. i wish there is no copyrighting at all and everything becomes for free. this is just my opinion</p></blockquote>
<p>Appalling. It makes me sick that you&#8217;re even allowed to &#8220;design&#8221; and &#8220;sell&#8221; artistic services to others. You obviously don&#8217;t have anything worth a copyright.</p>
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		<title>By: webstigma</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/#comment-38305</link>
		<dc:creator>webstigma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i personally hate copyrighting. i wish there is no copyrighting at all and everything becomes for free. this is just my opinion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i personally hate copyrighting. i wish there is no copyrighting at all and everything becomes for free. this is just my opinion</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Zeldman</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/#comment-38304</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed: extended copyright is preventing the preservation and dissemination of our cultural heritage. It&#039;s obscene, and tragic, and we owe it all to Mickey Mouse and his late friend in congress. 

But as you say, that is a separate matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed: extended copyright is preventing the preservation and dissemination of our cultural heritage. It&#8217;s obscene, and tragic, and we owe it all to Mickey Mouse and his late friend in congress. </p>
<p>But as you say, that is a separate matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Lenger</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/#comment-38303</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Lenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trace, several things are broken,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.duke.edu/cspd/orphanworks.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Orphan Works&lt;/a&gt;, 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/public_domain/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Copyright Extensions&lt;/a&gt;, and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://w2.eff.org/IP/DMCA/20030102_dmca_unintended_consequences.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;abbr title=&quot;Digital Millennium Copyright Act&quot;&gt;DMCA&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/a&gt;,

though I agree there are more pressing issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trace, several things are broken,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.law.duke.edu/cspd/orphanworks.html" rel="nofollow">Orphan Works</a>,<br />
<a href="http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/public_domain/" rel="nofollow">Copyright Extensions</a>, and the <a href="http://w2.eff.org/IP/DMCA/20030102_dmca_unintended_consequences.html" rel="nofollow"><abbr title="Digital Millennium Copyright Act">DMCA</abbr></a>,</p>
<p>though I agree there are more pressing issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Carissa</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/#comment-38301</link>
		<dc:creator>Carissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI: The link above posted by JakeT is the Orphaned Works Act of 2006. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brandaideblog.com/pdf/hb_5889.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Orphaned Works Act 0f 2008&lt;/a&gt; is much farther reaching, and provides more protections to the infringer. 

Also, the 2008 bill has a different definition of a reasonable search which seems to require people to register their copyrights to ensure that they are protected. (Otherwise, how are they going to be in the copyright database?).  It is my understanding that, as current copyright law stands, you can register your copyright even after it has been infringed upon and still sue the infringer. (It has to be registered so you can sue.)  This is because, of course, the copyright is created when you create the work. The bill effectively makes this implied copyright useless while not explicitly doing away with it. That in itself is enough to make this bill dangerous. 

By the way, I don&#039;t buy the party-line that this bill is good for educational institutions and libraries. They are already covered under &lt;a href=&quot;http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fair use&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI: The link above posted by JakeT is the Orphaned Works Act of 2006. The <a href="http://www.brandaideblog.com/pdf/hb_5889.pdf" rel="nofollow">Orphaned Works Act 0f 2008</a> is much farther reaching, and provides more protections to the infringer. </p>
<p>Also, the 2008 bill has a different definition of a reasonable search which seems to require people to register their copyrights to ensure that they are protected. (Otherwise, how are they going to be in the copyright database?).  It is my understanding that, as current copyright law stands, you can register your copyright even after it has been infringed upon and still sue the infringer. (It has to be registered so you can sue.)  This is because, of course, the copyright is created when you create the work. The bill effectively makes this implied copyright useless while not explicitly doing away with it. That in itself is enough to make this bill dangerous. </p>
<p>By the way, I don&#8217;t buy the party-line that this bill is good for educational institutions and libraries. They are already covered under <a href="http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html" rel="nofollow">fair use</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: RyanD</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/#comment-38300</link>
		<dc:creator>RyanD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having worked for a huge international museum of photography for the last 2 years, let me tell you: copyright is the absolute biggest hurdle in the way of us accomplishing out institutional mission of exposing the world to our collections.  

The less copyright the better.  In fact, I say we return to the founders copyright length.. what is it, 14 years?  

Heck with 70 - 120 year copyright protection (sometimes not even at the time of the work, at the arbitrary time of the authors death)

And why should IP extend beyond the lifetime of the author?  

I realize orphan works and copyright length are two separate issues, but its all intertwined into the system we have here, which, if it continues to exist like this, will keep most of you from ever seeing the treasures owned by cultural heritage institutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked for a huge international museum of photography for the last 2 years, let me tell you: copyright is the absolute biggest hurdle in the way of us accomplishing out institutional mission of exposing the world to our collections.  </p>
<p>The less copyright the better.  In fact, I say we return to the founders copyright length.. what is it, 14 years?  </p>
<p>Heck with 70 &#8211; 120 year copyright protection (sometimes not even at the time of the work, at the arbitrary time of the authors death)</p>
<p>And why should IP extend beyond the lifetime of the author?  </p>
<p>I realize orphan works and copyright length are two separate issues, but its all intertwined into the system we have here, which, if it continues to exist like this, will keep most of you from ever seeing the treasures owned by cultural heritage institutions.</p>
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		<title>By: listen to&#8230; &#187; Orphan Works&#160;Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/#comment-38299</link>
		<dc:creator>listen to&#8230; &#187; Orphan Works&#160;Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I stumbled onto several article for and against the Orphan Works Bill, which basically allows you to use copyrighted work if you&#8217;ve done a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Trace</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/#comment-38298</link>
		<dc:creator>Trace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in May I heard back from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.house.gov/olver/index.shtml&quot; title=&quot;Congressman John Olver&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Congressman Olver&lt;/a&gt; on this issue:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Congressman John Olver&quot;&gt;Like you,  I am concerned that H.R. 5889 would place the burden on the artists to register their work and that it would lessen consequences to those who violated copyrights and damaged artists&#039; careers.  Creators deserve protections and legal recourse if their work has been stolen, and any reform of the copyright system must balance issues of outdated or indiscriminate copyrighting with the very real concerns of artists protecting their livelihood. (...) Please be assured that I will continue to monitor this issue with your thoughts in mind.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indiscriminate copyrighting? Huh? Well, I&#039;m glad I&#039;ve got a friend on the &#039;Hill.

It all seems to me to be a solution in search of a problem (sound familiar?). Is there something broken about current copyright law? Moreover, aren&#039;t there more pressing issues that our representatives should be concerning themselves with?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in May I heard back from <a href="http://www.house.gov/olver/index.shtml" title="Congressman John Olver" rel="nofollow">Congressman Olver</a> on this issue:</p>
<blockquote cite="Congressman John Olver"><p>Like you,  I am concerned that H.R. 5889 would place the burden on the artists to register their work and that it would lessen consequences to those who violated copyrights and damaged artists&#8217; careers.  Creators deserve protections and legal recourse if their work has been stolen, and any reform of the copyright system must balance issues of outdated or indiscriminate copyrighting with the very real concerns of artists protecting their livelihood. (&#8230;) Please be assured that I will continue to monitor this issue with your thoughts in mind.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indiscriminate copyrighting? Huh? Well, I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;ve got a friend on the &#8216;Hill.</p>
<p>It all seems to me to be a solution in search of a problem (sound familiar?). Is there something broken about current copyright law? Moreover, aren&#8217;t there more pressing issues that our representatives should be concerning themselves with?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Snook</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/07/23/protest-the-orphan-works-bills/#comment-38294</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Snook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read through the bill myself, Jeffrey, I disagree with the sentiment of the Capwiz article and your conclusion that this would make it illegal. The only conclusion that I can come to is that you wouldn&#039;t be able to claim court costs if you sued. And that you still have the right to recover any costs that a company earns in using your copyrighted material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read through the bill myself, Jeffrey, I disagree with the sentiment of the Capwiz article and your conclusion that this would make it illegal. The only conclusion that I can come to is that you wouldn&#8217;t be able to claim court costs if you sued. And that you still have the right to recover any costs that a company earns in using your copyrighted material.</p>
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