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		<title>By: Second Thoughts: Where Will the First Amendment Take Place?</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/22/a-tweet-too-far/#comment-37363</link>
		<dc:creator>Second Thoughts: Where Will the First Amendment Take Place?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 22:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] so far, developers Biz Stone and Ev Williams aren&#039;t caving to the supposed &quot;community&quot; pressure on behalf of a drama queen who appears not to be telling her entire story. (It turns out that she&#039;s community manager of Pownce, a Twitter competitor!). The correllary of [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] so far, developers Biz Stone and Ev Williams aren&#8217;t caving to the supposed &#8220;community&#8221; pressure on behalf of a drama queen who appears not to be telling her entire story. (It turns out that she&#8217;s community manager of Pownce, a Twitter competitor!). The correllary of [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: DBL</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/22/a-tweet-too-far/#comment-37360</link>
		<dc:creator>DBL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 14:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find Twitter&#039;s and Evan Williams&#039;s replies to this to be repugnant, an attempt to smear the victim with things that aren&#039;t really very relevant to the issue at hand, and completely unconvincing. (You&#039;re a utility -- riiiiiiight. That&#039;ll never fly in court, pal. Even what we tend to think of as &#039;true&#039; utilities like ISPs sometimes have trouble associating themselves with water and electricity successfully -- a visit-by-choice website with no hardware into anybody&#039;s home, like Twitter, *never* will. Twitter is getting very bad legal advice indeed. Give up this legal strategy before it destroys your reputation.)

If Twitter is not going to ban users for repeated harassment then their competitive goals will simply *never* be achieved.

So, to sum up: Twitter is its own worst enemy in more ways than one, and is clearly not competent to handle the kind of community that it has attracted, also in more ways than one. Furthermore, they clearly have lied to Ariel Waldman on several occasions since the statements that they have made (and even Evan Williams did not deny those statements to Ariel were made in his rather ugly and telling attempt to smear her credibility) simply cannot be reconciled with each other.

Twitter could not possibly have come out of this looking worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find Twitter&#8217;s and Evan Williams&#8217;s replies to this to be repugnant, an attempt to smear the victim with things that aren&#8217;t really very relevant to the issue at hand, and completely unconvincing. (You&#8217;re a utility &#8212; riiiiiiight. That&#8217;ll never fly in court, pal. Even what we tend to think of as &#8216;true&#8217; utilities like ISPs sometimes have trouble associating themselves with water and electricity successfully &#8212; a visit-by-choice website with no hardware into anybody&#8217;s home, like Twitter, *never* will. Twitter is getting very bad legal advice indeed. Give up this legal strategy before it destroys your reputation.)</p>
<p>If Twitter is not going to ban users for repeated harassment then their competitive goals will simply *never* be achieved.</p>
<p>So, to sum up: Twitter is its own worst enemy in more ways than one, and is clearly not competent to handle the kind of community that it has attracted, also in more ways than one. Furthermore, they clearly have lied to Ariel Waldman on several occasions since the statements that they have made (and even Evan Williams did not deny those statements to Ariel were made in his rather ugly and telling attempt to smear her credibility) simply cannot be reconciled with each other.</p>
<p>Twitter could not possibly have come out of this looking worse.</p>
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		<title>By: boohoo</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/22/a-tweet-too-far/#comment-37355</link>
		<dc:creator>boohoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 09:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boohoo.</description>
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		<title>By: aimee.mychores.co.uk</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/22/a-tweet-too-far/#comment-37351</link>
		<dc:creator>aimee.mychores.co.uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 06:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twitter, i do hope you know what you&#039;re doing. As far as i can see it does not matter whether Ariel Waldman&#039;s claims are founded or not. What matters is the way you react to foul abuse, harassment and racial hatred, all of which i have recently seen on Twitter. People have been taking advantage of the fact that you are turning a blind eye and trying to push to see how far they can go and get away with it. You seem to be saying it&#039;s all okay. If that is the case, Twitter, i am disgusted at you and i want nothing more to do with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter, i do hope you know what you&#8217;re doing. As far as i can see it does not matter whether Ariel Waldman&#8217;s claims are founded or not. What matters is the way you react to foul abuse, harassment and racial hatred, all of which i have recently seen on Twitter. People have been taking advantage of the fact that you are turning a blind eye and trying to push to see how far they can go and get away with it. You seem to be saying it&#8217;s all okay. If that is the case, Twitter, i am disgusted at you and i want nothing more to do with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel Waldman vs. Twitter: A story so dirty, I&#8217;m taking a shower&#8230; at theory.isthereason</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/22/a-tweet-too-far/#comment-37348</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariel Waldman vs. Twitter: A story so dirty, I&#8217;m taking a shower&#8230; at theory.isthereason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 05:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: debutaunt</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/22/a-tweet-too-far/#comment-37347</link>
		<dc:creator>debutaunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 03:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Prokofy Neva.  I learned not to &quot;feed trolls&quot; (lame term) because what ends up happening is that you spend all of your time addressing their attempts to upset you.  I try not to waste space in my blog, nor my energy, time, emotion or even one breath on these idiots.

I&#039;ve been like that for a long while, but a few years ago I was diagnosed with leukemia and had a stem cell transplant (2 yrs remission), so now all of my time is even more  precious to me.  I spend it doing things I enjoy, spending time with loved ones, and having a good laugh every day.  Life is way too short to spend it writing long drawn out blog posts addressing the losers of the internet.  And if I feel like writing something, I do and just leave it at that.  I don&#039;t spend days addressing comments back and forth.  Gosh, how stressful.

The internet is a mixed blessing.   But I find it much more positive than anything; perhaps it is an attitude thing?

P.S.  I own up to the names people have called me (or things I&#039;ve called myself).  I think they are funny:  Cuntzilla, Bitchkateer, Osama deb Ladin, Whore-iffic, etc.  If you don&#039;t give them power over you, they don&#039;t bother you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Prokofy Neva.  I learned not to &#8220;feed trolls&#8221; (lame term) because what ends up happening is that you spend all of your time addressing their attempts to upset you.  I try not to waste space in my blog, nor my energy, time, emotion or even one breath on these idiots.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been like that for a long while, but a few years ago I was diagnosed with leukemia and had a stem cell transplant (2 yrs remission), so now all of my time is even more  precious to me.  I spend it doing things I enjoy, spending time with loved ones, and having a good laugh every day.  Life is way too short to spend it writing long drawn out blog posts addressing the losers of the internet.  And if I feel like writing something, I do and just leave it at that.  I don&#8217;t spend days addressing comments back and forth.  Gosh, how stressful.</p>
<p>The internet is a mixed blessing.   But I find it much more positive than anything; perhaps it is an attitude thing?</p>
<p>P.S.  I own up to the names people have called me (or things I&#8217;ve called myself).  I think they are funny:  Cuntzilla, Bitchkateer, Osama deb Ladin, Whore-iffic, etc.  If you don&#8217;t give them power over you, they don&#8217;t bother you.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 03:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ariel, you truly need to be called to account. If you had a problem with a stalker BEFORE Twitter, why on earth are you trying to harness the Twitter reading public to your person battles?! That&#039;s just inappropriate and manipulative. If you developed a stalker problem while only using Twitter, why did you continue to stare at these posts in your vanity feed? If you are that vulnerable to upset, why track your name? If you cannot take the rough and tumble of a huge public discourse, why not go back to talking to your friends inside AIM or Facebook?

I&#039;ve been called far worse things on other pages and on Twitter; I&#039;ve had real nasty physical threats and vows by creeps to come punch me out in real life. I never reported this to Twitter, however, because if the threats are that serious, I need to go to my police, and not fool around waiting for a large and busy social media site to figure out their TOS. 

But...they are just empty threats and name-calling by the usual insecure lame Internet loons that exist everywhere. I don&#039;t believe you get rid of them by borking and nerfing the entire platform around them and making it less free for everybody. 

It is not against the Constitution to call people names; indeed; it is held up by the Constitution (Times v. Sullivan) for public figures. And thank God for it. Where will the First Amendment take place, if it doesn&#039;t take place here, where people are?

I also fully support what Shelley is saying. I think it&#039;s totally relevant that she&#039;s pointing out that we&#039;re being enlisted into a bit-by-bit battle that is beyond Twitter and beyond fixing by banning this or that account. I believe strongly in fighting back and exposing people like this continually, not by wilting and running and trying to get them banned. There is a kind of received wisdom that you shouldn&#039;t publicize griefers or &quot;feed trolls&quot; (a term I reject completely); but we never say that about real-life terrorists like bin Ladn, whose every tape is publicized and scrutinizied. Cyber bullies should be exposed and condemned in the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ariel, you truly need to be called to account. If you had a problem with a stalker BEFORE Twitter, why on earth are you trying to harness the Twitter reading public to your person battles?! That&#8217;s just inappropriate and manipulative. If you developed a stalker problem while only using Twitter, why did you continue to stare at these posts in your vanity feed? If you are that vulnerable to upset, why track your name? If you cannot take the rough and tumble of a huge public discourse, why not go back to talking to your friends inside AIM or Facebook?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been called far worse things on other pages and on Twitter; I&#8217;ve had real nasty physical threats and vows by creeps to come punch me out in real life. I never reported this to Twitter, however, because if the threats are that serious, I need to go to my police, and not fool around waiting for a large and busy social media site to figure out their TOS. </p>
<p>But&#8230;they are just empty threats and name-calling by the usual insecure lame Internet loons that exist everywhere. I don&#8217;t believe you get rid of them by borking and nerfing the entire platform around them and making it less free for everybody. </p>
<p>It is not against the Constitution to call people names; indeed; it is held up by the Constitution (Times v. Sullivan) for public figures. And thank God for it. Where will the First Amendment take place, if it doesn&#8217;t take place here, where people are?</p>
<p>I also fully support what Shelley is saying. I think it&#8217;s totally relevant that she&#8217;s pointing out that we&#8217;re being enlisted into a bit-by-bit battle that is beyond Twitter and beyond fixing by banning this or that account. I believe strongly in fighting back and exposing people like this continually, not by wilting and running and trying to get them banned. There is a kind of received wisdom that you shouldn&#8217;t publicize griefers or &#8220;feed trolls&#8221; (a term I reject completely); but we never say that about real-life terrorists like bin Ladn, whose every tape is publicized and scrutinizied. Cyber bullies should be exposed and condemned in the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 03:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heartily applaud Ev Williams. His post here is superb. He has done exactly the right thing. Twitter cannot be mobbed by people calling themselves the fake &quot;community&quot; -- there is no such thing. It must be many things to many people using it in many different ways. The lynch mobs and the hanging tree on &quot;Get Satisfaction&quot; has been despicable to behold, along with the smarmy little posts from the mods.

Even aside from the specifics of this case, the issue really does hang on interpretation of harassment, not &quot;failure to enforce the TOS&quot; by the lights of this or that huffy and neuralgic patron who believes they&#039;ve been dissed. Harassment has to rise to a much higher threshold than --as Ev has very aptly put it -- hurt feelings and being called a name.

And that&#039;s just the point -- really serious stalking and harassing with incitement or threat of violence in real life to a real person at a real address is the sort of thing that your lawyer and local police deal with, not a social media platform. And what doesn&#039;t rise to that test and is just annoying griefing can be deal with by *not following yourself on track or summize*. It&#039;s just that simple. Read only people you follow and stop craning your neck to gawk at your vanity feed and you will have less whiplash.

I sincerely hope Ev does NOT start a &quot;block track&quot; function precisely because I think it will mean that news aggregators like News Gang or Scobleizer will be able to get away with sanitizing their tracks free of criticism or alternative opinion and then feed that back as &quot;the news&quot; -- which is scary stuff in a world where mainstream media is dwindling and *they&#039;re it*. 

That&#039;s what this is about. It&#039;s about keeping the new media free, so that it does not become something worse than the old media, inaccessible to dissent or alternative opinions and presentation of different facts than the norm. If &quot;the community&quot; is to dictate what is acceptable and only spoon-feed itself happy little pablums, then it is worse than mainstream media, which at least had a vision of serving the public interest and vetting material through responsible editorial boards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heartily applaud Ev Williams. His post here is superb. He has done exactly the right thing. Twitter cannot be mobbed by people calling themselves the fake &#8220;community&#8221; &#8212; there is no such thing. It must be many things to many people using it in many different ways. The lynch mobs and the hanging tree on &#8220;Get Satisfaction&#8221; has been despicable to behold, along with the smarmy little posts from the mods.</p>
<p>Even aside from the specifics of this case, the issue really does hang on interpretation of harassment, not &#8220;failure to enforce the TOS&#8221; by the lights of this or that huffy and neuralgic patron who believes they&#8217;ve been dissed. Harassment has to rise to a much higher threshold than &#8211;as Ev has very aptly put it &#8212; hurt feelings and being called a name.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s just the point &#8212; really serious stalking and harassing with incitement or threat of violence in real life to a real person at a real address is the sort of thing that your lawyer and local police deal with, not a social media platform. And what doesn&#8217;t rise to that test and is just annoying griefing can be deal with by *not following yourself on track or summize*. It&#8217;s just that simple. Read only people you follow and stop craning your neck to gawk at your vanity feed and you will have less whiplash.</p>
<p>I sincerely hope Ev does NOT start a &#8220;block track&#8221; function precisely because I think it will mean that news aggregators like News Gang or Scobleizer will be able to get away with sanitizing their tracks free of criticism or alternative opinion and then feed that back as &#8220;the news&#8221; &#8212; which is scary stuff in a world where mainstream media is dwindling and *they&#8217;re it*. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what this is about. It&#8217;s about keeping the new media free, so that it does not become something worse than the old media, inaccessible to dissent or alternative opinions and presentation of different facts than the norm. If &#8220;the community&#8221; is to dictate what is acceptable and only spoon-feed itself happy little pablums, then it is worse than mainstream media, which at least had a vision of serving the public interest and vetting material through responsible editorial boards.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian C. York</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/22/a-tweet-too-far/#comment-37344</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian C. York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 03:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mouse) to understand - the case of Twitter, its Terms of Service, and Ariel Waldman. Why? Because few others have, not even [...]</description>
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		<title>By: debutaunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>debutaunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 02:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I did follow this when it was going on from the beginning because I was not feeling well and a bit bored.

I can&#039;t understand how someone who uses the phrase &quot;Chitty Chitty Gang Bang&quot; as part of her blog would be concerned about her reputation if someone Googled her.      I&#039;ve been stalked in real life by a truly dangerous person, not some name caller.  It&#039;s scary.  

I also know someone who has been stalked and e-harassed online.  I can&#039;t imagine putting it all out on the internet.  Restraining order was filed.  Police involved.  When you start blogging and spreading the word all over the place, all  you are doing is giving the harasser some attention.  You let them know it&#039;s bothering you.  I don&#039;t feed trolls.  I thought this could have been handled with a little more tact.  Really concerned, well you should have had your attorney contact Twitter to deal with it instead of blogging it.  I hate Whinese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I did follow this when it was going on from the beginning because I was not feeling well and a bit bored.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t understand how someone who uses the phrase &#8220;Chitty Chitty Gang Bang&#8221; as part of her blog would be concerned about her reputation if someone Googled her.      I&#8217;ve been stalked in real life by a truly dangerous person, not some name caller.  It&#8217;s scary.  </p>
<p>I also know someone who has been stalked and e-harassed online.  I can&#8217;t imagine putting it all out on the internet.  Restraining order was filed.  Police involved.  When you start blogging and spreading the word all over the place, all  you are doing is giving the harasser some attention.  You let them know it&#8217;s bothering you.  I don&#8217;t feed trolls.  I thought this could have been handled with a little more tact.  Really concerned, well you should have had your attorney contact Twitter to deal with it instead of blogging it.  I hate Whinese.</p>
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		<title>By: Dreama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 02:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barring a denial from someone at Twitter that Jack did relay to Ariel that no action would be taken against this person because a.) Twitter did not deem her actions to be harassment and b.) Twitter feared a lawsuit if they banned her, I&#039;m still coming down on the side of &quot;Twitter screwed this one up.&quot;

I&#039;m curious what &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; harassment to Twitter, if this isn&#039;t. I&#039;m also curious why the lawsuit matter is being ignored. For all the bloghopping to explain, there really isn&#039;t transparency here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barring a denial from someone at Twitter that Jack did relay to Ariel that no action would be taken against this person because a.) Twitter did not deem her actions to be harassment and b.) Twitter feared a lawsuit if they banned her, I&#8217;m still coming down on the side of &#8220;Twitter screwed this one up.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious what <em>is</em> harassment to Twitter, if this isn&#8217;t. I&#8217;m also curious why the lawsuit matter is being ignored. For all the bloghopping to explain, there really isn&#8217;t transparency here.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Kerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Kerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 02:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if I get it: I THINK the official word from twitter is that this user did nothing wrong.  I&#039;d think a much better policy would be to ban anyone that receives a complaint but provide a way for them to dispute it.  Err on the side of banning people.  If the argument against this is that they don&#039;t want to get in the middle of things--well, obviously, they&#039;ve gotten in the middle of this one.  

The whole &quot;we&#039;re a utility&quot; argument is laughable. What about the ISPs and hosting companies--what are they? Chopped liver?  I mean really, you can&#039;t have it both ways: have user account rules and then step back and not enforce them.  

Ultimately, I think there&#039;s a bunch of wrong people on this issue... and even my opinion could be wrong.  It&#039;s time for someone to just sue someone already and let our legal system work it out.  A bunch of web folks opinions here are very interesting but lack legal experience (mine included).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if I get it: I THINK the official word from twitter is that this user did nothing wrong.  I&#8217;d think a much better policy would be to ban anyone that receives a complaint but provide a way for them to dispute it.  Err on the side of banning people.  If the argument against this is that they don&#8217;t want to get in the middle of things&#8211;well, obviously, they&#8217;ve gotten in the middle of this one.  </p>
<p>The whole &#8220;we&#8217;re a utility&#8221; argument is laughable. What about the ISPs and hosting companies&#8211;what are they? Chopped liver?  I mean really, you can&#8217;t have it both ways: have user account rules and then step back and not enforce them.  </p>
<p>Ultimately, I think there&#8217;s a bunch of wrong people on this issue&#8230; and even my opinion could be wrong.  It&#8217;s time for someone to just sue someone already and let our legal system work it out.  A bunch of web folks opinions here are very interesting but lack legal experience (mine included).</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 02:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jilian: &quot;Calling someone a cunt is harassment, period (at least in the U.S., and I believe that both harasser and harassee are from there.&quot;

No, it is not. It is nothing more than using a derogatory term against another. Whether you&#039;re horrified about it happening or not, or think that words are the worst things we can throw at one another, it is still nothing more than a &lt;em&gt;word&lt;/em&gt; and as such, only has power when we give it power.

Ariel mentions about this other woman &quot;stalking&quot; her for years. There are anti-stalking laws, and as such she should resolve this issue with the police. If she were physically threatened, then she should do the same. Additionally, I have no doubts, whatsoever that Ev would have closed the account down if she--or anyone for that matter--was physically threatened. 

But Ariel wanted this account closed down because this women called her a name, said insulting things about her. Whatever goes on elsewhere is not the responsibility of Ev or Twitter, so let&#039;s focus on what she did in Twitter--she called Ariel a name, and said insulting things about her.

If we women fall and fold and run and flee, to this authority or that to &quot;protect us&quot; every time someone calls us a name, then we will be falling and folding and running and fleeing every damn day of our lives. 

In the comments here and elsewhere, I am not defending Twitter&#039;s actions--I&#039;m defending women. Every time an event like this happens, it sends a signal that we women are vulnerable to &quot;names&quot;. That we can be banished, sent fleeing, just by being called a &quot;name&quot;. We will never stop being called names until we stand, turn, and spit in the faces of those who seek to spend little effort for great return.

Conferences that have only male speakers, men only on top weblog lists, women not given the respect our due--these hurt us. Names, are nothing more than words from simple minds, incapable of greater argument. 

In particular, once Ariel took the job with a Twitter competitor, the rules of the game changed. The fact that all of this arose after the job, rather than before must be weighed in this particular debate.

As for the &quot;harasser&quot;, get a lawyer, Ariel, or go to the police. Don&#039;t fight your battles bit by bit in every social network you belong to. Don&#039;t ask us to fight your battles for you. We have our own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jilian: &#8220;Calling someone a cunt is harassment, period (at least in the U.S., and I believe that both harasser and harassee are from there.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it is not. It is nothing more than using a derogatory term against another. Whether you&#8217;re horrified about it happening or not, or think that words are the worst things we can throw at one another, it is still nothing more than a <em>word</em> and as such, only has power when we give it power.</p>
<p>Ariel mentions about this other woman &#8220;stalking&#8221; her for years. There are anti-stalking laws, and as such she should resolve this issue with the police. If she were physically threatened, then she should do the same. Additionally, I have no doubts, whatsoever that Ev would have closed the account down if she&#8211;or anyone for that matter&#8211;was physically threatened. </p>
<p>But Ariel wanted this account closed down because this women called her a name, said insulting things about her. Whatever goes on elsewhere is not the responsibility of Ev or Twitter, so let&#8217;s focus on what she did in Twitter&#8211;she called Ariel a name, and said insulting things about her.</p>
<p>If we women fall and fold and run and flee, to this authority or that to &#8220;protect us&#8221; every time someone calls us a name, then we will be falling and folding and running and fleeing every damn day of our lives. </p>
<p>In the comments here and elsewhere, I am not defending Twitter&#8217;s actions&#8211;I&#8217;m defending women. Every time an event like this happens, it sends a signal that we women are vulnerable to &#8220;names&#8221;. That we can be banished, sent fleeing, just by being called a &#8220;name&#8221;. We will never stop being called names until we stand, turn, and spit in the faces of those who seek to spend little effort for great return.</p>
<p>Conferences that have only male speakers, men only on top weblog lists, women not given the respect our due&#8211;these hurt us. Names, are nothing more than words from simple minds, incapable of greater argument. </p>
<p>In particular, once Ariel took the job with a Twitter competitor, the rules of the game changed. The fact that all of this arose after the job, rather than before must be weighed in this particular debate.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;harasser&#8221;, get a lawyer, Ariel, or go to the police. Don&#8217;t fight your battles bit by bit in every social network you belong to. Don&#8217;t ask us to fight your battles for you. We have our own.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/22/a-tweet-too-far/#comment-37339</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 01:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not followed this story from the get-go, nor do I really care about the facts.  I think it&#039;s pathetic of Twitter, or those involved at Twitter, to be &quot;afraid&quot; of lawsuits from a harasser, if that is in fact true.  

Calling someone a cunt is harassment, period (at least in the U.S., and I believe that both harasser and harassee are from there).  If Twitter&#039;s TOS indeed claimed to protect users from harassment, then they have truly failed at doing so.

Will I stop using Twitter?  No.  Do I think Ariel Waldman has perhaps abused her position to get attention?  Yes.  But as a woman, I absolutely don&#039;t stand for the male staff at Twitter making a call that calling a woman a &quot;cunt&quot; is not harassment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not followed this story from the get-go, nor do I really care about the facts.  I think it&#8217;s pathetic of Twitter, or those involved at Twitter, to be &#8220;afraid&#8221; of lawsuits from a harasser, if that is in fact true.  </p>
<p>Calling someone a cunt is harassment, period (at least in the U.S., and I believe that both harasser and harassee are from there).  If Twitter&#8217;s TOS indeed claimed to protect users from harassment, then they have truly failed at doing so.</p>
<p>Will I stop using Twitter?  No.  Do I think Ariel Waldman has perhaps abused her position to get attention?  Yes.  But as a woman, I absolutely don&#8217;t stand for the male staff at Twitter making a call that calling a woman a &#8220;cunt&#8221; is not harassment.</p>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/22/a-tweet-too-far/#comment-37338</link>
		<dc:creator>charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 00:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a joke. A reknown blogger tries to shuffle backwards, only to be caught in her own web of lies. Frankly, I would not be surprised if Twitter took her to the proverbial woodshed over this smear campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a joke. A reknown blogger tries to shuffle backwards, only to be caught in her own web of lies. Frankly, I would not be surprised if Twitter took her to the proverbial woodshed over this smear campaign.</p>
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