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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/13/a-list-apart-saved-from-the-deep/#comment-37391</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 00:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was too close!</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 08:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] 19:26A List Apart saved from the deep Jeffrey Zeldman Presents: The Daily Report   Due to an almost magical series of administrative, record-keeping, and usability errors, the domain registration for A List Apart momentarily lapsed this morning. It was like a disturbance in the Force, or a warp in the Matrix. While the site continued to display correctly here in New York City (...) [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Newsfeeds Xtd - MamboSVN Test</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newsfeeds Xtd - MamboSVN Test</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 20:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...]  A List Apart saved from the deep   Due to an almost magical series of administrative, record-keeping, and usability errors, the domain registration for A List Apart momentarily lapsed this morning. It was like a disturbance in the Force, or a warp in the Matrix. While the site continued to display correctly here in New York City (and in many other places), it [...] [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Lynn Cummings</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/13/a-list-apart-saved-from-the-deep/#comment-37157</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Cummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, how could you let your domain lapse? I have to keep track of my 3 and dozens of my clients&#039; domain names. And you&#039;re not seriously still using NetSol as a registrar? Haven&#039;t you heard they&#039;re the anti-Christ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, how could you let your domain lapse? I have to keep track of my 3 and dozens of my clients&#8217; domain names. And you&#8217;re not seriously still using NetSol as a registrar? Haven&#8217;t you heard they&#8217;re the anti-Christ?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Zeldman Presents The Daily Report</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/13/a-list-apart-saved-from-the-deep/#comment-37138</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman Presents The Daily Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 04:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Menu Writer debuts A List Apart saved from the deep Content precedes design ALA 258: art of community, science of design An e-mail from Chip Kidd Stick [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-05-14 at Ip&#8217;s.</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2008-05-14 at Ip&#8217;s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 21:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeffrey Zeldman Presents : A List Apart saved from the deep &#8220;Due to an almost magical series of administrative, record-keeping, and usability errors, the domain registration for A List Apart momentarily lapsed this morning.&#8221; Sattuu sitä paremmissakin piireissä! (tags: article alistapart oops) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeffrey Zeldman Presents : A List Apart saved from the deep &#8220;Due to an almost magical series of administrative, record-keeping, and usability errors, the domain registration for A List Apart momentarily lapsed this morning.&#8221; Sattuu sitä paremmissakin piireissä! (tags: article alistapart oops) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shashi Bellamkonda</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/13/a-list-apart-saved-from-the-deep/#comment-37111</link>
		<dc:creator>Shashi Bellamkonda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 14:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

Thanks for the feedback. I will take that and plonk it on the desks of all those I think can help. A lot of my colleagues are looking for feedback and this is really useful.

Thanks for your offer to &quot;I’ll be happy to talk to anyone there and walk through the points of failure.&quot; That is awesome. We will take you up on that one.

Thanks,

Shashi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback. I will take that and plonk it on the desks of all those I think can help. A lot of my colleagues are looking for feedback and this is really useful.</p>
<p>Thanks for your offer to &#8220;I’ll be happy to talk to anyone there and walk through the points of failure.&#8221; That is awesome. We will take you up on that one.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Shashi</p>
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		<title>By: Design-Feed Latest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Design-Feed Latest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 12:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] A List Apart saved from the deep    Jeffrey Zeldman Presents The Daily Report &#124; 10 hours ago [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Zeldman</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/13/a-list-apart-saved-from-the-deep/#comment-37094</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 10:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Shashi Bellamkonda:

That was you? My gosh, thank you so much! Chad, the Network Solutions gentleman I worked with on the phone, told me that the domain had been renewed and that it appeared that &quot;my partner Bruce&quot; was responsible. 

NetSol has my NIC handle connected to an obsolete e-mail address. In one place in the records, I am listed as *technical contact* of one of my own domains, under the correct current e-mail address. In seventeen other places, I&#039;m listed as primary contact (and technical contact) using an e-mail address that hasn&#039;t been operative for years.

When I changed to my &quot;new&quot; e-mail address (years ago), NetSol apparently changed one instance of the record but didn&#039;t connect the other records to it.

In other words, NetSol&#039;s records act as if there is a gentleman named Jeffrey Zeldman who has an e-mail address at zeldman.com and a NIC handle of XYZ and is technical contact at zeldman.com.

And there are seventeen guys named Jeffrey Zeldman who have the exact same NIC handle but use a different (obsolete) e-mail address.

NetSol doesn&#039;t &quot;know&quot; that there&#039;s one Jeffrey Zeldman. It thinks there are a bunch of us sharing the same NIC handle, and that most of us choose to use an obsolete e-mail address that bounces.

The places in the NetSol interface that are supposed to permit users to update their information do not allow me to update the information on the &quot;other users named Jeffrey Zeldman.&quot;

As the domain neared expiration, I&#039;ll assume that NetSol contacted the Jeffrey Zeldman at the obsolete e-mail address.

When that e-mail bounced, NetSol apparently did not try to contact the &quot;other&quot; Jeffrey Zeldman.

Thus the domain was allowed to lapse.

You probably can&#039;t fix the interface problems in the user account admin that preserve outdated e-mail addresses and give them preference over updated, working e-mail addresses; or the other problems in the interface that prevent users from updating their information to maintain its accuracy. But maybe you can tell someone you work with about these problems? I&#039;ll be happy to talk to anyone there and walk through the points of failure.

Meantime, thank you so very much for noticing the problem and re-registering the domain on my behalf. Write to me offline (or use my contact form). Thanks!  :)


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shashi Bellamkonda:</p>
<p>That was you? My gosh, thank you so much! Chad, the Network Solutions gentleman I worked with on the phone, told me that the domain had been renewed and that it appeared that &#8220;my partner Bruce&#8221; was responsible. </p>
<p>NetSol has my NIC handle connected to an obsolete e-mail address. In one place in the records, I am listed as *technical contact* of one of my own domains, under the correct current e-mail address. In seventeen other places, I&#8217;m listed as primary contact (and technical contact) using an e-mail address that hasn&#8217;t been operative for years.</p>
<p>When I changed to my &#8220;new&#8221; e-mail address (years ago), NetSol apparently changed one instance of the record but didn&#8217;t connect the other records to it.</p>
<p>In other words, NetSol&#8217;s records act as if there is a gentleman named Jeffrey Zeldman who has an e-mail address at zeldman.com and a NIC handle of XYZ and is technical contact at zeldman.com.</p>
<p>And there are seventeen guys named Jeffrey Zeldman who have the exact same NIC handle but use a different (obsolete) e-mail address.</p>
<p>NetSol doesn&#8217;t &#8220;know&#8221; that there&#8217;s one Jeffrey Zeldman. It thinks there are a bunch of us sharing the same NIC handle, and that most of us choose to use an obsolete e-mail address that bounces.</p>
<p>The places in the NetSol interface that are supposed to permit users to update their information do not allow me to update the information on the &#8220;other users named Jeffrey Zeldman.&#8221;</p>
<p>As the domain neared expiration, I&#8217;ll assume that NetSol contacted the Jeffrey Zeldman at the obsolete e-mail address.</p>
<p>When that e-mail bounced, NetSol apparently did not try to contact the &#8220;other&#8221; Jeffrey Zeldman.</p>
<p>Thus the domain was allowed to lapse.</p>
<p>You probably can&#8217;t fix the interface problems in the user account admin that preserve outdated e-mail addresses and give them preference over updated, working e-mail addresses; or the other problems in the interface that prevent users from updating their information to maintain its accuracy. But maybe you can tell someone you work with about these problems? I&#8217;ll be happy to talk to anyone there and walk through the points of failure.</p>
<p>Meantime, thank you so very much for noticing the problem and re-registering the domain on my behalf. Write to me offline (or use my contact form). Thanks!  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Shashi Bellamkonda</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/13/a-list-apart-saved-from-the-deep/#comment-37092</link>
		<dc:creator>Shashi Bellamkonda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 08:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi jeff,

I visit alistapart.com frequently. I work for Network Solutions and I am @shashib on Twitter. I just wanted to clarify that the domain was renewed by me yesterday morning when i noticed that Alistapart.com had expired and heard about it on Twitter. later the support guys told me that you had called and renewed it for a few years more. 

I @ you on Twitter and later sent you a message from the contact page here. Having a domain name renew automatically may be a good way to prevent this ( my 2 cents)

I am sure glad everything is fine.

Regards,

Shashi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi jeff,</p>
<p>I visit alistapart.com frequently. I work for Network Solutions and I am @shashib on Twitter. I just wanted to clarify that the domain was renewed by me yesterday morning when i noticed that Alistapart.com had expired and heard about it on Twitter. later the support guys told me that you had called and renewed it for a few years more. </p>
<p>I @ you on Twitter and later sent you a message from the contact page here. Having a domain name renew automatically may be a good way to prevent this ( my 2 cents)</p>
<p>I am sure glad everything is fine.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Shashi</p>
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		<title>By: Lasse Rintakumpu</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/13/a-list-apart-saved-from-the-deep/#comment-37090</link>
		<dc:creator>Lasse Rintakumpu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 07:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess that ALA&#039;s readers are a moral bunch. Actually, I think we all knew that to begin with.</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Woods - HTML, CSS, Web Design &#187; Useful Web Development Links (14th May 2008)</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/13/a-list-apart-saved-from-the-deep/#comment-37088</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Woods - HTML, CSS, Web Design &#187; Useful Web Development Links (14th May 2008)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 06:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A List Apart saved from the deep [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Evan Meagher</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/13/a-list-apart-saved-from-the-deep/#comment-37085</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Meagher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes! Glad to hear that the site is safe.</description>
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		<title>By: It's Cool - News Feeds</title>
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		<dc:creator>It's Cool - News Feeds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...]  A List Apart saved from the deep   Due to an almost magical series of administrative, record-keeping, and usability errors, the domain registration for A List Apart momentarily lapsed this morning. It was like a disturbance in the Force, or a warp in the Matrix. While the site continued to display correctly here in New York City (and in many other places), it [...] [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...]  A List Apart saved from the deep   Due to an almost magical series of administrative, record-keeping, and usability errors, the domain registration for A List Apart momentarily lapsed this morning. It was like a disturbance in the Force, or a warp in the Matrix. While the site continued to display correctly here in New York City (and in many other places), it [...] [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: John Lampard</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/13/a-list-apart-saved-from-the-deep/#comment-37083</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lampard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just when I was beginning to think ALA had merged with Digital Web Magazine ;)</description>
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