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		<title>By: content precedes design</title>
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		<dc:creator>content precedes design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8212;Jeffrey Zeldman [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Content Strategy for the Web Professional — lucid plot, by Jonathan Kahn</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/#comment-48197</link>
		<dc:creator>Content Strategy for the Web Professional — lucid plot, by Jonathan Kahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] schedule to upfront planning: research, web strategy, content strategy. Anything that allows you to design from the content out, by delaying the design phase until the content actually exists, will [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] schedule to upfront planning: research, web strategy, content strategy. Anything that allows you to design from the content out, by delaying the design phase until the content actually exists, will [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Content precedes design &#160;:&#160; Rod Creative</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/#comment-47478</link>
		<dc:creator>Content precedes design &#160;:&#160; Rod Creative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8211; Jeffrey Zeldman [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rolf Johansson Web Design - Content Precedes Design</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/#comment-42498</link>
		<dc:creator>Rolf Johansson Web Design - Content Precedes Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 15:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bez</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/#comment-40508</link>
		<dc:creator>Bez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>semantics all. decoration can be content. content design. design can be both vehicle for and part of content. understanding of intent, or intended understanding, is the nut of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>semantics all. decoration can be content. content design. design can be both vehicle for and part of content. understanding of intent, or intended understanding, is the nut of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Content precedes design &#124; one digital life</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/#comment-40220</link>
		<dc:creator>Content precedes design &#124; one digital life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just came across this quote by Jeffrey Zeldman in my bookmarks and realized I forgot to blog about it: Content precedes design. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] just came across this quote by Jeffrey Zeldman in my bookmarks and realized I forgot to blog about it: Content precedes design. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: yakup</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/#comment-39297</link>
		<dc:creator>yakup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks you. ;) i like it</description>
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		<title>By: Forex</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/#comment-39174</link>
		<dc:creator>Forex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you zeldman. Good post :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you zeldman. Good post :)</p>
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		<title>By: Ecrire pour le Web &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Design &#38; contenu : un mariage heureux ?</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/#comment-39140</link>
		<dc:creator>Ecrire pour le Web &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Design &#38; contenu : un mariage heureux ?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] en savoir plus : http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] en savoir plus : <a href="http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/</a>  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Designing for the Empty-Handed Client &#124; Darren Hoyt Dot Com</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/#comment-37957</link>
		<dc:creator>Designing for the Empty-Handed Client &#124; Darren Hoyt Dot Com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In this sense, you&#8217;re getting a feel for &#8220;content&#8221; even without materials. Or as Zeldman says, &#8216;Content&#8217; doesn’t mean &#8216;having all the copy.&#8217; It means knowing what the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In this sense, you&#8217;re getting a feel for &#8220;content&#8221; even without materials. Or as Zeldman says, &#8216;Content&#8217; doesn’t mean &#8216;having all the copy.&#8217; It means knowing what the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: thebrisbaneline by Evan Skuthorpe</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/#comment-37865</link>
		<dc:creator>thebrisbaneline by Evan Skuthorpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an in house web designer, the amount of times I&#039;ve received incomplete briefs... Without content there can be no design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an in house web designer, the amount of times I&#8217;ve received incomplete briefs&#8230; Without content there can be no design.</p>
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		<title>By: Beverley Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/#comment-37851</link>
		<dc:creator>Beverley Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a dream that one day a client will decide they want a website and assemble a team with the relevant skills.  A writer, a designer, a developer.  They will all sit together with the client and discuss:  the purpose of the site, who will use it, what the users will want from it, how it will work.  

From this, they will agree a draft concept for an effective site that focuses on satisfying users and achieving the business objectives.  It might have lots of design - it might  have very little. It will certainly have content.  Minisites with  virtually no design can sell very effectively, in the right context. In my dream, the team liaise with each other as the site develops.  They will agree the wireframe and the keywords together.  
The writer puts the content onto the page, and sees what it looks like.  He or she might change headings, paragraph sizes, where words go - text has to be visual too.  The designer allows for ideas the writer has. Maybe, for example, separate fields for fact points that don&#039;t fit with the flow of text would be helpful.  A web-based project management tool is used so all can see the comments of the others.  And so it goes on.  
And within this, the writer is of course paid as a key member of the team.
Is this a dream?  How many web developers offer copywriting services to their clients?  If you don&#039;t, it&#039;s no mystery why they fail to meet your deadines for producing content.  Would you expect them to come up with their own designer?

Just a few thoughts from a writer, brought to this page by having a client enthuse about my content yesterday only to have a call today to say stop working while they reconsider who the site is aimed at and how the words work/don&#039;t work with the design already in place...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a dream that one day a client will decide they want a website and assemble a team with the relevant skills.  A writer, a designer, a developer.  They will all sit together with the client and discuss:  the purpose of the site, who will use it, what the users will want from it, how it will work.  </p>
<p>From this, they will agree a draft concept for an effective site that focuses on satisfying users and achieving the business objectives.  It might have lots of design &#8211; it might  have very little. It will certainly have content.  Minisites with  virtually no design can sell very effectively, in the right context. In my dream, the team liaise with each other as the site develops.  They will agree the wireframe and the keywords together.<br />
The writer puts the content onto the page, and sees what it looks like.  He or she might change headings, paragraph sizes, where words go &#8211; text has to be visual too.  The designer allows for ideas the writer has. Maybe, for example, separate fields for fact points that don&#8217;t fit with the flow of text would be helpful.  A web-based project management tool is used so all can see the comments of the others.  And so it goes on.<br />
And within this, the writer is of course paid as a key member of the team.<br />
Is this a dream?  How many web developers offer copywriting services to their clients?  If you don&#8217;t, it&#8217;s no mystery why they fail to meet your deadines for producing content.  Would you expect them to come up with their own designer?</p>
<p>Just a few thoughts from a writer, brought to this page by having a client enthuse about my content yesterday only to have a call today to say stop working while they reconsider who the site is aimed at and how the words work/don&#8217;t work with the design already in place&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Zeldman Presents : Content precedes design</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/#comment-37715</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman Presents : Content precedes design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 23:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] 6 May 2008 9 am eastern [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: porcupine colors &#124; Σοφά λόγια (μέρος 2ο)</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/#comment-37488</link>
		<dc:creator>porcupine colors &#124; Σοφά λόγια (μέρος 2ο)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 08:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Του απόλυτου sensei J. Zeldman. [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Kaffee.satz &#171; Kaffee.satz</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/#comment-37361</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaffee.satz &#171; Kaffee.satz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 19:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gefunden unter: http://twitter.com/zeldman/statuses/804159148 Diskussion dazu unter: http://www.zeldman.com/2008/05/06/content-precedes-design/  [...]</description>
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