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		<title>By: Bush -- not related</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bush -- not related</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truly sad part of this lament is that, 7 months later, IT REMAINS COMPLETELY VALID!

*sigh*

Tiger-based iMac, Leopard-based MacBook, v2.0 iTouch... push from the .mac wiped my touch clean b/c I&#039;ve not successfully logged into .mac/me.com from the iMac (home-base for the Touch).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truly sad part of this lament is that, 7 months later, IT REMAINS COMPLETELY VALID!</p>
<p>*sigh*</p>
<p>Tiger-based iMac, Leopard-based MacBook, v2.0 iTouch&#8230; push from the .mac wiped my touch clean b/c I&#8217;ve not successfully logged into .mac/me.com from the iMac (home-base for the Touch).</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/01/02/leopard-breaks-mac-tiger-iphone-sync/#comment-32381</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tomorrow I&#039;m off to see an Apple genius with exactly these problems.  I can&#039;t get sync to upload my contacts/calendar from my Tiger iMac G5 let alone download them to the new Intel MacBook Pro.  iTunes copies stuff to the very new iPod Touch (wonderful piece of kit!) but I have paid good money for .MAC and would like it to do something useful.  If the genius fixes things I&#039;ll report back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tomorrow I&#8217;m off to see an Apple genius with exactly these problems.  I can&#8217;t get sync to upload my contacts/calendar from my Tiger iMac G5 let alone download them to the new Intel MacBook Pro.  iTunes copies stuff to the very new iPod Touch (wonderful piece of kit!) but I have paid good money for .MAC and would like it to do something useful.  If the genius fixes things I&#8217;ll report back.</p>
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		<title>By: Kit Grose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kit Grose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised by how many people here have been having issues with Leopard.

I&#039;m incredibly impressed by how flawless my Leopard experience has been. My family is a six-Mac household, mixed PowerPC and Intel and Leopard has been the smoothest update I&#039;ve ever had to deal with (I experienced some keyboard issues that have since been resolved with a software update).

FWIW, Leopard handles all the web apps I&#039;ve been able to throw at it (including CS3); I&#039;ve been pretty happy with it. I doubt upgrading would help you much with your home PC though. Sounds like it could use a Clean Install with as little of your Home directory brought back across.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised by how many people here have been having issues with Leopard.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m incredibly impressed by how flawless my Leopard experience has been. My family is a six-Mac household, mixed PowerPC and Intel and Leopard has been the smoothest update I&#8217;ve ever had to deal with (I experienced some keyboard issues that have since been resolved with a software update).</p>
<p>FWIW, Leopard handles all the web apps I&#8217;ve been able to throw at it (including CS3); I&#8217;ve been pretty happy with it. I doubt upgrading would help you much with your home PC though. Sounds like it could use a Clean Install with as little of your Home directory brought back across.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Stodola</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2008/01/02/leopard-breaks-mac-tiger-iphone-sync/#comment-27283</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Stodola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zeldman.com/2008/01/02/leopard-breaks-mac-tiger-iphone-sync/#comment-27034&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; comment and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zeldman.com/2008/01/02/leopard-breaks-mac-tiger-iphone-sync/#comment-27271&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; one too

I&#039;m confused; I thought you guys were catechized to say stuff like &quot;it just works&quot;.

Wish I could feel sorry for you, but the fanboys have turned me into such a hater.  Long live the PC!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ <a href="http://www.zeldman.com/2008/01/02/leopard-breaks-mac-tiger-iphone-sync/#comment-27034" rel="nofollow">this</a> comment and <a href="http://www.zeldman.com/2008/01/02/leopard-breaks-mac-tiger-iphone-sync/#comment-27271" rel="nofollow">this</a> one too</p>
<p>I&#8217;m confused; I thought you guys were catechized to say stuff like &#8220;it just works&#8221;.</p>
<p>Wish I could feel sorry for you, but the fanboys have turned me into such a hater.  Long live the PC!</p>
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		<title>By: dave rau</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave rau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me or is the Mac starting to feel like the PC days of post-Windows95?

I&#039;m increasingly frustrated by Mac things feeling a lot less &quot;Mac.&quot; It&#039;s not necessarily a Leopard thing, but since switching to Intel I&#039;ve noticed a lot more flaky behavior of apps. BBEdit crashed last nite and it&#039;s NEVER crashed in the 5+ years I&#039;ve been using it. All CS3 apps crash; interface elements are broken (input boxes in the top toolbar for example); more and more dialogue boxes are appearing.

This is the whole reason I switched in the first place!! It was a simpler life; now it&#039;s back to being complicated and frustrating. What can we switch to now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me or is the Mac starting to feel like the PC days of post-Windows95?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m increasingly frustrated by Mac things feeling a lot less &#8220;Mac.&#8221; It&#8217;s not necessarily a Leopard thing, but since switching to Intel I&#8217;ve noticed a lot more flaky behavior of apps. BBEdit crashed last nite and it&#8217;s NEVER crashed in the 5+ years I&#8217;ve been using it. All CS3 apps crash; interface elements are broken (input boxes in the top toolbar for example); more and more dialogue boxes are appearing.</p>
<p>This is the whole reason I switched in the first place!! It was a simpler life; now it&#8217;s back to being complicated and frustrating. What can we switch to now?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if you get &lt;strong&gt;really&lt;/strong&gt; fed up, you could always try the Final Solution:
http://ma.gnolia.com/tevowe

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you get <strong>really</strong> fed up, you could always try the Final Solution:<br />
<a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/tevowe" rel="nofollow">http://ma.gnolia.com/tevowe</a></p>
<p>:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, best wishes on getting that synching issues resolved. That aside, I hope the year ahead brings me unexpected blessings for you and yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, best wishes on getting that synching issues resolved. That aside, I hope the year ahead brings me unexpected blessings for you and yours.</p>
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		<title>By: roe</title>
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		<dc:creator>roe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You, sir, have bad Mac-fu.  Burn some sage, or maybe light some incense in front of a shot of Steve Jobs?

Hoping things get better for you.  :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You, sir, have bad Mac-fu.  Burn some sage, or maybe light some incense in front of a shot of Steve Jobs?</p>
<p>Hoping things get better for you.  :P</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Pelletier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Pelletier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Forgot to add the quote to my last post, my apologies for double posting)

&quot;The experience is, no offense to Windows users, like a bad experience in Windows.&quot;

Funny that you said that. I’m reading this post because I needed something else to do than be frustrated with my work PC which is currently preventing me from finishing up a new site. Good luck with your phone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Forgot to add the quote to my last post, my apologies for double posting)</p>
<p>&#8220;The experience is, no offense to Windows users, like a bad experience in Windows.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny that you said that. I’m reading this post because I needed something else to do than be frustrated with my work PC which is currently preventing me from finishing up a new site. Good luck with your phone!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Pelletier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Pelletier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;The experience is, no offense to Windows users, like a bad experience in Windows.&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Funny that you said that. I&#039;m reading this post because I needed something else to do than be frustrated with my work PC which is currently preventing me from finishing up a new site.  Good luck with your phone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="The experience is, no offense to Windows users, like a bad experience in Windows."></blockquote>
<p>Funny that you said that. I&#8217;m reading this post because I needed something else to do than be frustrated with my work PC which is currently preventing me from finishing up a new site.  Good luck with your phone!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Sweet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Sweet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just the tip of the iceberg IMHO. I &quot;downgraded&quot; from Leopard to Tiger last night, only to find out that File Vault uses a different sparse image format that can&#039;t be read by Tiger (shame on me for not turning FV off first). My suggestion for anyone who asks is to avoid Leopard. This must be how Windows Vista users feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just the tip of the iceberg IMHO. I &#8220;downgraded&#8221; from Leopard to Tiger last night, only to find out that File Vault uses a different sparse image format that can&#8217;t be read by Tiger (shame on me for not turning FV off first). My suggestion for anyone who asks is to avoid Leopard. This must be how Windows Vista users feel.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Zeldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So a man who&#039;s going to do some work in our new home calls to schedule the job. I&#039;m at home, standing beside my laptop, but I can&#039;t consult my iCal calendar because the laptop is frozen in yet another abortive .Mac sync attempt. The man has been hard to get hold of, and his services are much in demand. I agree to the dates and times he suggests, not knowing if I can actually do them or not. I jot the information down on the back of a Christmas card.

Later, when I&#039;ve unfrozen my laptop and restarted to stop the endless SyndicationAgent.app loops from sucking its memory into a black hole, I have the opportunity to enter the man&#039;s contact information into Address Book and his dates into iCal. But I don&#039;t do so. 

The reason I don&#039;t do so is, if I enter this home-repair-related information into my home computer, I will lose the data because .Mac sync is broken. I&#039;ll have to carry the Christmas card to my office and transcribe its information into my office computer, then sync my iPhone to my office computer, and either train myself not to use the iCal in my home computer or engage in further tragicomic attempts to get .Mac sync to work.

Hardly a life-or-death dilemma, but definitely not the seamless home/office/anywhere digital lifestyle experience I paid for when I bought an iMac, a laptop, an iPhone and .Mac. That&#039;s the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So a man who&#8217;s going to do some work in our new home calls to schedule the job. I&#8217;m at home, standing beside my laptop, but I can&#8217;t consult my iCal calendar because the laptop is frozen in yet another abortive .Mac sync attempt. The man has been hard to get hold of, and his services are much in demand. I agree to the dates and times he suggests, not knowing if I can actually do them or not. I jot the information down on the back of a Christmas card.</p>
<p>Later, when I&#8217;ve unfrozen my laptop and restarted to stop the endless SyndicationAgent.app loops from sucking its memory into a black hole, I have the opportunity to enter the man&#8217;s contact information into Address Book and his dates into iCal. But I don&#8217;t do so. </p>
<p>The reason I don&#8217;t do so is, if I enter this home-repair-related information into my home computer, I will lose the data because .Mac sync is broken. I&#8217;ll have to carry the Christmas card to my office and transcribe its information into my office computer, then sync my iPhone to my office computer, and either train myself not to use the iCal in my home computer or engage in further tragicomic attempts to get .Mac sync to work.</p>
<p>Hardly a life-or-death dilemma, but definitely not the seamless home/office/anywhere digital lifestyle experience I paid for when I bought an iMac, a laptop, an iPhone and .Mac. That&#8217;s the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Buchanan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too get the non-optimal version of the Mac Experience ;)</description>
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		<title>By: dusoft</title>
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		<dc:creator>dusoft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least Apple shows why proprietary (and closed) means inconvenient and bad. And although Windows would be able to sync better, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the way to go.

But finally, customers of Apple are finding that something does not work as it was supposed to do? Well, pay another $200 bucks to Apple and you can sync alright, is that so? No backward compatibility? Isn&#039;t that called blackmailing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least Apple shows why proprietary (and closed) means inconvenient and bad. And although Windows would be able to sync better, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the way to go.</p>
<p>But finally, customers of Apple are finding that something does not work as it was supposed to do? Well, pay another $200 bucks to Apple and you can sync alright, is that so? No backward compatibility? Isn&#8217;t that called blackmailing?</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis Gallisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexis Gallisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time I have trouble with .Mac sync it makes me feel totally helpless. It seems to be the one thing which makes someone like me, an avid and know-it-all about Mac user into a helpless simpleton. I had some of the same problems with syncing two 10.4 machines with my main Leopard machine not too long ago. 

The solution for me was to unregister all the machines from the Leopard .Mac Preference Pane. When you do this, you will actually get a dialog asking you if you would like to delete all the info from the .Mac servers. Confirm and then walk away or reboot. 

Take your Leopard machine and then turn on sync again. Have it sync all your information. Wait a bit and then see if it syncs. If all is well so far, walk away or at the very least do not attempt to sync anything with your Tiger machines. This little tip is what I think saved me and was suggested by .Mac support. Every other time I tried these steps, everything always failed. Register the tiger machine and sync. In my case I asked the Tiger machines to replace everything on the computer with info from .Mac. Hopefully all goes well. 

A couple of other points. Your login keychain has any entry with Type &gt; .Mac Password. If this entry becomes corrupt you will get stuck in loop hell every time you try and open the .Mac Preference Pane. The only solution is to Force Quit the .Mac Preference Pane. Delete this keychain entry and then reenter it into the .Mac Preference Pane. I suggest if you get to this point to enter the password, make sure .Mac logs in and then close the preference pane to make sure it writes the password into your Keychain. .Mac sync is really the only thing that has consistently given me trouble since its inception. Although I always am able to fix it, it just shouldn&#039;t be that way. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time I have trouble with .Mac sync it makes me feel totally helpless. It seems to be the one thing which makes someone like me, an avid and know-it-all about Mac user into a helpless simpleton. I had some of the same problems with syncing two 10.4 machines with my main Leopard machine not too long ago. </p>
<p>The solution for me was to unregister all the machines from the Leopard .Mac Preference Pane. When you do this, you will actually get a dialog asking you if you would like to delete all the info from the .Mac servers. Confirm and then walk away or reboot. </p>
<p>Take your Leopard machine and then turn on sync again. Have it sync all your information. Wait a bit and then see if it syncs. If all is well so far, walk away or at the very least do not attempt to sync anything with your Tiger machines. This little tip is what I think saved me and was suggested by .Mac support. Every other time I tried these steps, everything always failed. Register the tiger machine and sync. In my case I asked the Tiger machines to replace everything on the computer with info from .Mac. Hopefully all goes well. </p>
<p>A couple of other points. Your login keychain has any entry with Type &gt; .Mac Password. If this entry becomes corrupt you will get stuck in loop hell every time you try and open the .Mac Preference Pane. The only solution is to Force Quit the .Mac Preference Pane. Delete this keychain entry and then reenter it into the .Mac Preference Pane. I suggest if you get to this point to enter the password, make sure .Mac logs in and then close the preference pane to make sure it writes the password into your Keychain. .Mac sync is really the only thing that has consistently given me trouble since its inception. Although I always am able to fix it, it just shouldn&#8217;t be that way. Good luck.</p>
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