Comments on: ALA 250: HTML 5, design for flow

By: Greg Bulmash

Greg Bulmash — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 01:11:53 +0000

IMO, In 10 to 15 years, browsers will just be wrappers for running a SWF/PDF plug-in. Static web pages will be rendered as PDF documents and interactive ones will be rendered as SWF documents.

By: Jeffrey Zeldman

Jeffrey Zeldman — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:37:26 +0000

HTML 5 is already being implemented. Please reread the article more carefully, and be sure to also read this comment by Shawn Medero. Thanks!

By: thacker

thacker — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:38:39 +0000

Zeldman–

Where did I state that Facebook isn’t browser based?

Facebook currently is a hybrid that is still a browser based standards dependent social network with its APIs available for use only within the Facebook ‘community’ or at least wherein a user must be logged into Facebook. For true data sharing [data sharing as one small example] among a wide variety of Web apps, that data must be identified as such. Identification requires a common standard. That standard requires implementation and acceptance.

Whether it may be Facebook APIs, Google OpenSocial, Joe Blows OpenData or even an entirely different hybrid such as Adobe Air, the markets are demonstrating a desire to break-out. It will not wait years.

By: Jeffrey Zeldman

Jeffrey Zeldman — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:00:06 +0000

If Web 2.0 has demonstrated anything, it has and is showing that markets, from the financial markets to the consumer markets, are starving for better ways to communicate than what browser based and browser dependent HTML based communication are able to provide.

What!?!?!

Facebook doesn’t run in a browser? Basecamp isn’t HTML-based? How did I miss that?

By: thacker

thacker — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:48:37 +0000

Even if the time constraints are reduced by two-thirds, HTML/XHTML will still end up getting replaced by other communication technologies. The markets are not going to wait five years. If Web 2.0 has demonstrated anything, it has and is showing that markets, from the financial markets to the consumer markets, are starving for better ways to communicate than what browser based and browser dependent HTML based communication are able to provide. The models used for development of standards are antiquated. We will not see another Dot Com crash but will, in all likelihood, see a crash in the current methods and delivery of Internet communication.

By: npala2001

npala2001 — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:42:01 +0000

I enjoyed reading the great article from ALA talking about HTML 5 (just a preview of course). I glad to hear that representatives of all four major browser were included. Well I am in agreement with thacker because in all reality we wont see the specifications finalized until we are all retired and working at Walmart as door greeters (Ha!).

By: Hiếu Đức Hoàng

Hiếu Đức Hoàng — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:28:43 +0000

@thacker: The WHATWG FAQ explains that the market won't have to wait for the W3C-REC status, but the status waits for the market to provide implementations. Your question is very similar to the question a bit above that one, namely When will we be able to start using these new features?

By: thacker

thacker — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:30:35 +0000

HTML 5.0

current estimates have work finishing in around ten to fifteen years

Technologies, communications and markets will wait that long?