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	<title>Comments on: To be of use to others is the only true happiness. Although a 160 GB iPhone would also be nice.</title>
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		<title>By: Longboard: Design Archives</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/09/21/iphone-and-ipod-compared/#comment-48917</link>
		<dc:creator>Longboard: Design Archives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] &quot;She wants the iPhone and asks for it by name, like cats do for Meow Mix.&quot;   That should be a poster, t-shirt, or both. Jason, get on it! [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Spend Wealth</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/09/21/iphone-and-ipod-compared/#comment-48554</link>
		<dc:creator>Spend Wealth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont see why I would need a 160 GB iphone... I use it as a phone and thats it</description>
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		<title>By: UK Landfill</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/09/21/iphone-and-ipod-compared/#comment-41148</link>
		<dc:creator>UK Landfill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this post rather amusing when we all know that creative or Archos make the best mp3/media/ all round brilliant devices and not Apple.  Have you used th Archos 605 Wifi?  It&#039;s mega!  The screen has great resolution and you get internet too!  Also, I just don&#039;t really like apple ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this post rather amusing when we all know that creative or Archos make the best mp3/media/ all round brilliant devices and not Apple.  Have you used th Archos 605 Wifi?  It&#8217;s mega!  The screen has great resolution and you get internet too!  Also, I just don&#8217;t really like apple ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: iPhoneDemand</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/09/21/iphone-and-ipod-compared/#comment-39584</link>
		<dc:creator>iPhoneDemand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At some point we will have a 160 GB iphone. It&#039;s just a matter of time.</description>
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		<title>By: Cyber Rooms</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/09/21/iphone-and-ipod-compared/#comment-38225</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyber Rooms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A 160 GB iPhone is just what I need to store all my ps3 game trailers.</description>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/09/21/iphone-and-ipod-compared/#comment-21133</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just love my newly hacked iPhone and would happily go through the process of weeding through my music collection and cherry pick only the finest tunes to squeeze onto the IPhone&#039;s drive but as slick and wonderful as the iPhone interface is ( and my God is it ever) the fact of the matter is that I use my iPod a little differently. When I&#039;m commuting into work I touch control my classic iPod, by which I mean I know how to work the scroll one handed to jump from song to song, lower and increase volume and I can do all of this without raising the iPod to my eyeline which I really like. So if i can find a headphone set with some sort of controller which allows me to access the iPhone&#039;s navigation without having to look at it for those times when it&#039;s not convenient, then I&#039;ll truly be one very happy camper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just love my newly hacked iPhone and would happily go through the process of weeding through my music collection and cherry pick only the finest tunes to squeeze onto the IPhone&#8217;s drive but as slick and wonderful as the iPhone interface is ( and my God is it ever) the fact of the matter is that I use my iPod a little differently. When I&#8217;m commuting into work I touch control my classic iPod, by which I mean I know how to work the scroll one handed to jump from song to song, lower and increase volume and I can do all of this without raising the iPod to my eyeline which I really like. So if i can find a headphone set with some sort of controller which allows me to access the iPhone&#8217;s navigation without having to look at it for those times when it&#8217;s not convenient, then I&#8217;ll truly be one very happy camper.</p>
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		<title>By: gahlord</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/09/21/iphone-and-ipod-compared/#comment-21087</link>
		<dc:creator>gahlord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you all the way. However, there&#039;s the neverending resource question. 

First off, all this comes from a great web article I read and I should be shamed for not being able to provide the link.

Let&#039;s talk about power consumption.

Power consumption for 160GB hard drive (vs a flash drive). Power for an all-screen device that owners may want to use to watch movies. Power for the radio devices (WiFi on the low estimate and cell radio, WiFi and bluetooth on the high estimate).

Now let&#039;s talk about (sloppy) use case scenarios.

You wake up in the morning and take your iPod off the charging device and listen to 15 minutes of music on your way to the gym. Then you listen to 45 minutes of music at the gym. Then you go to work and listen to 6 more hours of music. You listen to another 15 minutes of music on the way home.

7.25 hours of hard drive spinning and earbud-powering time.

Also during the day you do about an hour of surfing the web via your iPod (during lunch or checking how a site looks on your iPod or showing someone how fun it is or just for the hell of it).

1 hour of screen-intensive and radio communications time.

Then over the course of the day you watch about an hour of video (last night&#039;s TV episode, Your Great Movie, whatever)

1 hour of screen-intensive + hard drive powering time.

So over the course of the day your iPod power consumption habits break down like so:

8.25 Hours of hard drive platter spinning
2.00 Hours of screen very bright use
1.00 Hours of radio communications use

Imagine now the battery required to sustain this usage. Now slap that battery onto a slightly thicker iPod Classic (gotta give room for the full screen all the way down the form factor).

That&#039;s the real problem, the battery.

Or the user behavior. Maybe you can change your habits such that you don&#039;t mind limiting yourself to a mere 14GB (the OS and the marketing math must take up something of that 16GB drive right?) of data. Apple hasn&#039;t changed user behavior before though so maybe no dice. ;)

I&#039;m going on and on in a comment and it&#039;s your blog, sorry for that. Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you all the way. However, there&#8217;s the neverending resource question. </p>
<p>First off, all this comes from a great web article I read and I should be shamed for not being able to provide the link.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s talk about power consumption.</p>
<p>Power consumption for 160GB hard drive (vs a flash drive). Power for an all-screen device that owners may want to use to watch movies. Power for the radio devices (WiFi on the low estimate and cell radio, WiFi and bluetooth on the high estimate).</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s talk about (sloppy) use case scenarios.</p>
<p>You wake up in the morning and take your iPod off the charging device and listen to 15 minutes of music on your way to the gym. Then you listen to 45 minutes of music at the gym. Then you go to work and listen to 6 more hours of music. You listen to another 15 minutes of music on the way home.</p>
<p>7.25 hours of hard drive spinning and earbud-powering time.</p>
<p>Also during the day you do about an hour of surfing the web via your iPod (during lunch or checking how a site looks on your iPod or showing someone how fun it is or just for the hell of it).</p>
<p>1 hour of screen-intensive and radio communications time.</p>
<p>Then over the course of the day you watch about an hour of video (last night&#8217;s TV episode, Your Great Movie, whatever)</p>
<p>1 hour of screen-intensive + hard drive powering time.</p>
<p>So over the course of the day your iPod power consumption habits break down like so:</p>
<p>8.25 Hours of hard drive platter spinning<br />
2.00 Hours of screen very bright use<br />
1.00 Hours of radio communications use</p>
<p>Imagine now the battery required to sustain this usage. Now slap that battery onto a slightly thicker iPod Classic (gotta give room for the full screen all the way down the form factor).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the real problem, the battery.</p>
<p>Or the user behavior. Maybe you can change your habits such that you don&#8217;t mind limiting yourself to a mere 14GB (the OS and the marketing math must take up something of that 16GB drive right?) of data. Apple hasn&#8217;t changed user behavior before though so maybe no dice. ;)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going on and on in a comment and it&#8217;s your blog, sorry for that. Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert D.</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/09/21/iphone-and-ipod-compared/#comment-21085</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main problem I have with the iPhone is that it lacks the tactile feedback of a clickwheel. I can, entirely without looking, change volume, pause/unpause, fast forward, rewind, rate and scrub through the track I&#039;m listening to on my 5th-gen iPod, entirely without looking. This comes in mighty handy when in the car.

Try doing THAT with the iPhone or iPod touch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main problem I have with the iPhone is that it lacks the tactile feedback of a clickwheel. I can, entirely without looking, change volume, pause/unpause, fast forward, rewind, rate and scrub through the track I&#8217;m listening to on my 5th-gen iPod, entirely without looking. This comes in mighty handy when in the car.</p>
<p>Try doing THAT with the iPhone or iPod touch!</p>
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		<title>By: Gohlkus</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/09/21/iphone-and-ipod-compared/#comment-21084</link>
		<dc:creator>Gohlkus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the iPhone.

I have July 21, 2008, the date my contract with Sprint expires, marked on my calendar... in the days leading up to that magical date I will see whether an iPhone is right for me. I hope another, greater revision of the iPhone comes out by then, maybe even with the hard drive capacity you&#039;re talking about.

&gt; She wants the iPhone and asks for it by name, like cats do for Meow Mix.

Not to quibble or anything, but cats ask for Meow Mix by name because the default sound they make is &quot;Meow.&quot; 

I have a hard time believing your toddler&#039;s default sound is &quot;iPhone&quot; (though, since she is your daughter, maybe it&#039;s not out of the question).   ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the iPhone.</p>
<p>I have July 21, 2008, the date my contract with Sprint expires, marked on my calendar&#8230; in the days leading up to that magical date I will see whether an iPhone is right for me. I hope another, greater revision of the iPhone comes out by then, maybe even with the hard drive capacity you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>&gt; She wants the iPhone and asks for it by name, like cats do for Meow Mix.</p>
<p>Not to quibble or anything, but cats ask for Meow Mix by name because the default sound they make is &#8220;Meow.&#8221; </p>
<p>I have a hard time believing your toddler&#8217;s default sound is &#8220;iPhone&#8221; (though, since she is your daughter, maybe it&#8217;s not out of the question).   ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Dorny</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/09/21/iphone-and-ipod-compared/#comment-20959</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Dorny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>…but my iTunes lib is 172GB! *gasp*
[180GB would have triggered my plastic]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>…but my iTunes lib is 172GB! *gasp*<br />
[180GB would have triggered my plastic]</p>
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		<title>By: mr-ipod-person</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/09/21/iphone-and-ipod-compared/#comment-20951</link>
		<dc:creator>mr-ipod-person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was amazed when I first heard about the 160gb ipod classic. That&#039;s 40,000 songs or 200 hours of video! I think you need 2 life times to fill that up!

Someone told he thinks ipod hard drives are basically dead. And from now on its going to be only flash. I guess next year&#039;s ipod models will tell...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was amazed when I first heard about the 160gb ipod classic. That&#8217;s 40,000 songs or 200 hours of video! I think you need 2 life times to fill that up!</p>
<p>Someone told he thinks ipod hard drives are basically dead. And from now on its going to be only flash. I guess next year&#8217;s ipod models will tell&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/09/21/iphone-and-ipod-compared/#comment-20941</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That should be &quot;I use DOT.TUNES (dottunes.net) to stream my iTunes library to my iPhone. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That should be &#8220;I use DOT.TUNES (dottunes.net) to stream my iTunes library to my iPhone. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/09/21/iphone-and-ipod-compared/#comment-20940</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use &lt;a&gt; to stream my entire iTunes library to my iPhone. Doesn&#039;t work too well via EDGE but nicely with a good WiFi connection. Until Apple hears your plea, Jeffrey, this will have to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use <a> to stream my entire iTunes library to my iPhone. Doesn&#8217;t work too well via EDGE but nicely with a good WiFi connection. Until Apple hears your plea, Jeffrey, this will have to do.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Levi Figueira</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/09/21/iphone-and-ipod-compared/#comment-20939</link>
		<dc:creator>Levi Figueira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I acknowledge that Ara is on to something with the Bluetooth link between the classic and the iPhone. But that is NOT possible or feasible at the moment. Bluetooth&#039;s bandwidth, while it could work for audio (assuming they&#039;d go with BT2.0, since 1.1 is dated and considerably slower), it would be a hard time passing video, and I don&#039;t see Apple investing in an &quot;audio only&quot; solution for they &quot;video&quot; iPod! :) I won&#039;t go into details about the technology itself, but even though BT2.0 could achieve a max theoretical bandwidth of 2.1Mbps (which would be plenty for both audio and video, at those resolutions), it&#039;s... theoretical! You&#039;d need &quot;perfect&quot; conditions, have the devices next to each other (wouldn&#039;t you just rather leave the classic on the backpack? :p) and.. be lucky there would be few other BT devices (or any wireless devices for that matter) disturbing your signal or you&#039;d have music skipping, bad quality and drained batteries!

But since the iPhone already has Wi-Fi... how about adding a &quot;special&quot; Wi-Fi (noooo... don&#039;t think Zune here... pleaseee! ;)) that would integrate with both iPod touch and iPhone&#039;s.... :o (just thought of that as I was writing the problems with BT).

Jeffrey, I sincerely don&#039;t think a HDD-based iPhone would EVER come out. But SSD are getting bigger (and cheaper) by the day... Wait a few years and you&#039;ll have your wish of a 160Gb iPhone come true! :p (by then, HDD-based iPods would be carrying around 750Gb HDDs anyway :p).

Cheers

Life</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I acknowledge that Ara is on to something with the Bluetooth link between the classic and the iPhone. But that is NOT possible or feasible at the moment. Bluetooth&#8217;s bandwidth, while it could work for audio (assuming they&#8217;d go with BT2.0, since 1.1 is dated and considerably slower), it would be a hard time passing video, and I don&#8217;t see Apple investing in an &#8220;audio only&#8221; solution for they &#8220;video&#8221; iPod! :) I won&#8217;t go into details about the technology itself, but even though BT2.0 could achieve a max theoretical bandwidth of 2.1Mbps (which would be plenty for both audio and video, at those resolutions), it&#8217;s&#8230; theoretical! You&#8217;d need &#8220;perfect&#8221; conditions, have the devices next to each other (wouldn&#8217;t you just rather leave the classic on the backpack? :p) and.. be lucky there would be few other BT devices (or any wireless devices for that matter) disturbing your signal or you&#8217;d have music skipping, bad quality and drained batteries!</p>
<p>But since the iPhone already has Wi-Fi&#8230; how about adding a &#8220;special&#8221; Wi-Fi (noooo&#8230; don&#8217;t think Zune here&#8230; pleaseee! ;)) that would integrate with both iPod touch and iPhone&#8217;s&#8230;. :o (just thought of that as I was writing the problems with BT).</p>
<p>Jeffrey, I sincerely don&#8217;t think a HDD-based iPhone would EVER come out. But SSD are getting bigger (and cheaper) by the day&#8230; Wait a few years and you&#8217;ll have your wish of a 160Gb iPhone come true! :p (by then, HDD-based iPods would be carrying around 750Gb HDDs anyway :p).</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Life</p>
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		<title>By: George Huff</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/09/21/iphone-and-ipod-compared/#comment-20938</link>
		<dc:creator>George Huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, the iPhone has completely replaced my iPod.  While I would love to have all of my music and movies on me at the same time - I have let it go for the convenience of one device.

Not a day goes by that I don&#039;t plug my iPhone into my Mac to charge - it just takes a little pre planning to make sure I have what I want, when I want it.

And I agree 100% about going from the iPhone UI to anything else, it&#039;s just too amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, the iPhone has completely replaced my iPod.  While I would love to have all of my music and movies on me at the same time &#8211; I have let it go for the convenience of one device.</p>
<p>Not a day goes by that I don&#8217;t plug my iPhone into my Mac to charge &#8211; it just takes a little pre planning to make sure I have what I want, when I want it.</p>
<p>And I agree 100% about going from the iPhone UI to anything else, it&#8217;s just too amazing.</p>
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