Comments on: What Apple copied from Microsoft http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/ Web design news and insights since 1995 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:54:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: MacUser: July 2007 Archives http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-50654 MacUser: July 2007 Archives Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:31:19 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-50654 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] development pro Jeffrey Zeldman moved on from Now Up-To-Date and Contact and Eudora. The reason? One word: iPhone. Having your personal data synced with your phone really is a [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] development pro Jeffrey Zeldman moved on from Now Up-To-Date and Contact and Eudora. The reason? One word: iPhone. Having your personal data synced with your phone really is a [...]

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]]> By: Apple learns from Microsoft… | rondomingue.com http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-43597 Apple learns from Microsoft… | rondomingue.com Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:48:53 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-43597 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] learns from Microsoft…Jeffrey Zeldman makes some pretty insightful observations about why a full house beats most any hand…. I’m talking about why people will prefer [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] learns from Microsoft…Jeffrey Zeldman makes some pretty insightful observations about why a full house beats most any hand…. I’m talking about why people will prefer [...]

]]> By: What Apple copied from Microsoft – Guillermo Esteves http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-41838 What Apple copied from Microsoft – Guillermo Esteves Sat, 18 Apr 2009 23:05:36 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-41838 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] What Apple copied from Microsoft Jeffrey Zeldman: In short, Apple has finally copied something from Microsoft. Or, if you prefer, Apple has learned the marketing psychology lesson that Microsoft got first. For many consumers, convenience is of greater value than choice. A platform built of parts that work together seamlessly beats a self-curated collection of apps that don’t. [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] What Apple copied from Microsoft Jeffrey Zeldman: In short, Apple has finally copied something from Microsoft. Or, if you prefer, Apple has learned the marketing psychology lesson that Microsoft got first. For many consumers, convenience is of greater value than choice. A platform built of parts that work together seamlessly beats a self-curated collection of apps that don’t. [...]

]]> By: Netdiver archive of what's new in design, the digital culture and the web -> August 2007 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-37258 Netdiver archive of what's new in design, the digital culture and the web -> August 2007 Thu, 22 May 2008 06:40:31 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-37258 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] What Apple copied from Microsoft by Jeffrey Zeldman [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] What Apple copied from Microsoft by Jeffrey Zeldman [...]

]]> By: Apostas at diário de bordo http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-36861 Apostas at diário de bordo Tue, 06 May 2008 16:24:11 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-36861 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] quer apostar que este artigo do Jeffrey Zeldman vai fazer correr muita tinta electrónica acerca da estratégia da Apple em geral, do iPhone em [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] quer apostar que este artigo do Jeffrey Zeldman vai fazer correr muita tinta electrónica acerca da estratégia da Apple em geral, do iPhone em [...]

]]> By: Rex Oppenheimer http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-22687 Rex Oppenheimer Thu, 01 Nov 2007 03:02:00 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-22687 I don't get it. I'd love to switch from Entourage to Mail, iCal and Addressbook, but I just don't see the same efficiency and ease in trying to use the three programs rather than the one integrated application. Furthermore, Entourage synchs as seamlessly with my iPhone as does addressbook. All you have to do is enable that in Synch services. You gush on about Apple's strengths, and as a longtime Apple user I agree, but I don't see or hear any concrete examples of how the three apps can be used as readily as Entourage to keep track of addresses, emails and schedules. Rex I don’t get it. I’d love to switch from Entourage to Mail, iCal and Addressbook, but I just don’t see the same efficiency and ease in trying to use the three programs rather than the one integrated application. Furthermore, Entourage synchs as seamlessly with my iPhone as does addressbook. All you have to do is enable that in Synch services.

You gush on about Apple’s strengths, and as a longtime Apple user I agree, but I don’t see or hear any concrete examples of how the three apps can be used as readily as Entourage to keep track of addresses, emails and schedules.

Rex

]]> By: Samuel B http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-18745 Samuel B Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:41:17 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-18745 Misuse of the term "fallow..." Fallow ground isn't ground that is dead, sterile and unproductive, it is ground that has been purposely left with nothing growing in it to replenish it's nutrients. After a period of time fallow ground is plowed and replanted. Other than that, phenomenal article. Profound statement: <em> What “free” wasn’t enough to achieve, “seamless” just might be</em> Misuse of the term “fallow…” Fallow ground isn’t ground that is dead, sterile and unproductive, it is ground that has been purposely left with nothing growing in it to replenish it’s nutrients. After a period of time fallow ground is plowed and replanted.
Other than that, phenomenal article. Profound statement:
What “free” wasn’t enough to achieve, “seamless” just might be

]]> By: Peter Urban http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-18490 Peter Urban Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:43:49 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-18490 Jefferey, great entry. More interesting to me are your struggles and recent changes of habits and you motivation to do so. The old MS vs MAC babble in some comments makes me yawn. Please don't be horrified to hear that there is something in the making in Canada that you might have to change your habits for again soon ;-). Cheers from Canada (formerly Germany) Jefferey, great entry. More interesting to me are your struggles and recent changes of habits and you motivation to do so. The old MS vs MAC babble in some comments makes me yawn.

Please don’t be horrified to hear that there is something in the making in Canada that you might have to change your habits for again soon ;-).

Cheers from Canada (formerly Germany)

]]> By: Jeffrey Zeldman http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-18075 Jeffrey Zeldman Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:13:35 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-18075 @Chris, you may be right. And, loyal schmuck that I am, I would have kept using the ugly, non-OS-X-like, non-Intel-native, HTML-mail-garbling Eudora forever if not for the iPhone. @Chris, you may be right. And, loyal schmuck that I am, I would have kept using the ugly, non-OS-X-like, non-Intel-native, HTML-mail-garbling Eudora forever if not for the iPhone.

]]> By: Chris Hester http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-18016 Chris Hester Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:09:57 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-18016 @Jeffrey: my understanding was that Eudora would be a unique email program based on the Thunderbird open source code. It would not be Thunderbird renamed, as they will likely want to add new features and icons to mimic earlier versions of Eudora. (It's like Netscape and Firefox aren't the same, yet they both use Mozilla code.) But If all they're doing is rebranding Thunderbird, then that would be pointless. @Jeffrey: my understanding was that Eudora would be a unique email program based on the Thunderbird open source code. It would not be Thunderbird renamed, as they will likely want to add new features and icons to mimic earlier versions of Eudora. (It’s like Netscape and Firefox aren’t the same, yet they both use Mozilla code.) But If all they’re doing is rebranding Thunderbird, then that would be pointless.

]]> By: Timothy Uhl http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-17987 Timothy Uhl Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:11:23 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-17987 I switched to a mac and started using the free tools immediately. When the iPhone came out and I saw that it synced seamlessly as well, it was a "no-brainer". I Bought it. I Use it. I Love it. I Would Recommend it. -Tim I switched to a mac and started using the free tools immediately. When the iPhone came out and I saw that it synced seamlessly as well, it was a “no-brainer”.

I Bought it. I Use it. I Love it. I Would Recommend it.

-Tim

]]> By: Adrian http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-17969 Adrian Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:41:41 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-17969 @Bob C, thanks. I wish they would announce which carrier is getting it in Europe. Looks like another 3 months wait at least here. Probably 4-5 in reality. Sigh. @Kelly, tweaking is all very well and good (I'm a geek too) but it's an edge case. 90% of iPod users I know don't even user smart playlists, so whilst it would be nice to tweak this isn't a core customer base. However since the iPhone runs OSX, it has to be possible to do far more on it than any other phone. Just a matter of time before somone figures out how to unlock the front door, or apple does. As for clamshells, big in USA, much less in EU. EU sells far more candy bar phones. I for one have no idea why anyone would want a phone where you keep having to open it to use. It's just personal preference that tends to vary somewhat by geography. @Keith, all the reviews I have read have both been very good and very honest about the iPhones failing. Most "rapid apple buyers" tend to read a lot of the reviews and know what they are getting. In fact the reverse has mainly happened where people I know don't want an iPhone but when asked the reason it's some FUD they have picked up. It amazes me how people assume the hundreds of thousands of iPhone users are all mind dead dolts. Apples made dud products before but currently people keep buying the good products. Everyone slated the shuffle pre launch, and it's sold massively well. Not because people are rapid buyers but because the products are good products. Just because not everyone is the target market for an apple product doesn't mean those who are, are just brainwashed fools. @Bob C, thanks. I wish they would announce which carrier is getting it in Europe. Looks like another 3 months wait at least here. Probably 4-5 in reality. Sigh.

@Kelly, tweaking is all very well and good (I’m a geek too) but it’s an edge case. 90% of iPod users I know don’t even user smart playlists, so whilst it would be nice to tweak this isn’t a core customer base. However since the iPhone runs OSX, it has to be possible to do far more on it than any other phone. Just a matter of time before somone figures out how to unlock the front door, or apple does. As for clamshells, big in USA, much less in EU. EU sells far more candy bar phones. I for one have no idea why anyone would want a phone where you keep having to open it to use. It’s just personal preference that tends to vary somewhat by geography.

@Keith, all the reviews I have read have both been very good and very honest about the iPhones failing. Most “rapid apple buyers” tend to read a lot of the reviews and know what they are getting. In fact the reverse has mainly happened where people I know don’t want an iPhone but when asked the reason it’s some FUD they have picked up. It amazes me how people assume the hundreds of thousands of iPhone users are all mind dead dolts. Apples made dud products before but currently people keep buying the good products. Everyone slated the shuffle pre launch, and it’s sold massively well. Not because people are rapid buyers but because the products are good products. Just because not everyone is the target market for an apple product doesn’t mean those who are, are just brainwashed fools.

]]> By: Jeffrey Zeldman http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-17956 Jeffrey Zeldman Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:12:46 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-17956 @Chris: Eudora is dead. The "open source version of Eudora" = Mozilla Thunderbird. There's nothing wrong with Thunderbird, but it's not Eudora. Pretend I decided to stop publishing <cite><a href="http://www.alistapart.com/" rel="nofollow">A List Apart</a>.</cite> So I sell the name to Carson Productions. Then I announce that A List Apart will continue as <a href="http://www.thinkvitamin.com/" rel="nofollow">Vitamin</a>. In this scenario, Vitamin will continue, and Vitamin is great, but it's not A List Apart. Such an announcement would be, what do the U.S. senators call it when they're afraid to call it lying?, disingenuous, would it not? @Chris:

Eudora is dead. The “open source version of Eudora” = Mozilla Thunderbird. There’s nothing wrong with Thunderbird, but it’s not Eudora.

Pretend I decided to stop publishing A List Apart. So I sell the name to Carson Productions. Then I announce that A List Apart will continue as Vitamin. In this scenario, Vitamin will continue, and Vitamin is great, but it’s not A List Apart. Such an announcement would be, what do the U.S. senators call it when they’re afraid to call it lying?, disingenuous, would it not?

]]> By: Chris Hester http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-17950 Chris Hester Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:44:01 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/25/what-apple-copied-from-microsoft/#comment-17950 Eudora isn't dead. Their website states: <blockquote>An open source version of Eudora is being developed by Mozilla and will be free of charge.</blockquote> Eudora isn’t dead. Their website states:

An open source version of Eudora is being developed by Mozilla and will be free of charge.

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