Comments on: Let there be web divisions http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/ Web design news and insights since 1995 Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:53:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Problems of Corporate Websites http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-51398 Problems of Corporate Websites Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:51:40 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-51398 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Marketing, on the other hand, is little better. As Jeffrey Zeldman puts it in his article Let there be Web divisions: [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Marketing, on the other hand, is little better. As Jeffrey Zeldman puts it in his article Let there be Web divisions: [...]

]]> By: 10 Harsh Truths About Corporate Websites « Social-Press http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-51309 10 Harsh Truths About Corporate Websites « Social-Press Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:40:52 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-51309 [...] on the other hand, is little better. As Jeffrey Zeldman puts it in his article Let there be Web divisions: The Web is a conversation. Marketing, by contrast, is a monologue… And then there’s all that [...] [...] on the other hand, is little better. As Jeffrey Zeldman puts it in his article Let there be Web divisions: The Web is a conversation. Marketing, by contrast, is a monologue… And then there’s all that [...]

]]> By: Where's your web shop? IT or Communications? Where should it be? - HighEdWeb 2009 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-48870 Where's your web shop? IT or Communications? Where should it be? - HighEdWeb 2009 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:23:46 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-48870 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] My answer to this is "none of the above" See Zeldman's "Let there be web divisions" [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] My answer to this is "none of the above" See Zeldman's "Let there be web divisions" [...]

]]> By: Mike http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-48864 Mike Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:12:59 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-48864 Firstly, I find it interesting that you are asking for a 'division' - I totally mis-understood the title of this post at first - when what you actually mean is 'Department'. Arbitrarily dividing job functions is surely where the problem begins: a technical mindset is required to write good HTML and build good UIs, but a creative mindset is needed for copywriting and for visual design. This is precisely why most professional teams split the developer role from the designer role - who exactly should be populating your web team? I also think you may be reading something from your data that cannot be justified - I am not the first reader to say that there _is_ a 'Web Team' or similar in our organisation. Firstly, I find it interesting that you are asking for a ‘division’ – I totally mis-understood the title of this post at first – when what you actually mean is ‘Department’. Arbitrarily dividing job functions is surely where the problem begins: a technical mindset is required to write good HTML and build good UIs, but a creative mindset is needed for copywriting and for visual design. This is precisely why most professional teams split the developer role from the designer role – who exactly should be populating your web team?

I also think you may be reading something from your data that cannot be justified – I am not the first reader to say that there _is_ a ‘Web Team’ or similar in our organisation.

]]> By: 10 ways for webmaster to understand visitor http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-48846 10 ways for webmaster to understand visitor Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:01:44 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-48846 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] on the other hand, is little better. As Jeffrey Zeldman puts it in his article Let there be Web divisions: The Web is a conversation. Marketing, by contrast, is a monologue… And then there’s [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] on the other hand, is little better. As Jeffrey Zeldman puts it in his article Let there be Web divisions: The Web is a conversation. Marketing, by contrast, is a monologue… And then there’s [...]

]]> By: Mavi Salon // Just another Mavisalon.totalh.com weblog http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-48569 Mavi Salon // Just another Mavisalon.totalh.com weblog Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:02:03 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-48569 [...] yandan pazarlama biraz daha iyidir. Zira Jeffrey Zeldman’ın da makalesinde Bırakın web birimleri olsun makalesinde belirttiği gibi: Web bir diyalogdur. Pazarlama ise tam aksine monologdur. Ardından [...] [...] yandan pazarlama biraz daha iyidir. Zira Jeffrey Zeldman’ın da makalesinde Bırakın web birimleri olsun makalesinde belirttiği gibi: Web bir diyalogdur. Pazarlama ise tam aksine monologdur. Ardından [...]

]]> By: Let there be web divisions – Shawn Blanc http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-47893 Let there be web divisions – Shawn Blanc Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:14:15 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-47893 [...] Jeffrey Zeldman The skills of Marketing, like the skills of IT, don’t necessarily map to what is needed to create great web experiences. For one thing, as anyone reading this knows, the web is a conversation. Marketing, by contrast, is a monologue. It can be a great monologue. But a monologue and conversation are not the same, as an hour spent with your windy Uncle Randolph will remind you. [...] [...] Jeffrey Zeldman The skills of Marketing, like the skills of IT, don’t necessarily map to what is needed to create great web experiences. For one thing, as anyone reading this knows, the web is a conversation. Marketing, by contrast, is a monologue. It can be a great monologue. But a monologue and conversation are not the same, as an hour spent with your windy Uncle Randolph will remind you. [...]

]]> By: Thoughts From Eric » Recent Links http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-47680 Thoughts From Eric » Recent Links Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:40:26 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-47680 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Let there be web divisions # [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Let there be web divisions # [...]

]]> By: Ashish http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-47625 Ashish Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:19:42 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-47625 How you structure and align Web design / Web development / Marketing divisions depends on nature of your business and the size of the department. In the above write-up author (Zeldman) is trying to counsel about design as a division which is but right but not in all cases. Now most of the web designers / developers have started applying as for Internet marketing positions? There is a tight integration between web design and web-marketing specially when we talk about any marketing copy. In addition, when you are opening up a debate about WEB / WEB DESIGN as a DIVISION instead of marketing you need to place Digital /Interactive Marketing division in contrast which I believe is not at all a monologue. I agree with Richards comments, consider marketing services or Marketing communications as a division or department (mostly travel agencies, universities, industrial corporates) you will find design as a part of it, in contrast most of the client-agency setups like web design or internet strategy houses or advertising agencies plans for a dedicated web design department. How you structure and align Web design / Web development / Marketing divisions depends on nature of your business and the size of the department.

In the above write-up author (Zeldman) is trying to counsel about design as a division which is but right but not in all cases.

Now most of the web designers / developers have started applying as for Internet marketing positions?

There is a tight integration between web design and web-marketing specially when we talk about any marketing copy.

In addition, when you are opening up a debate about WEB / WEB DESIGN as a DIVISION instead of marketing you need to place Digital /Interactive Marketing division in contrast which I believe is not at all a monologue.

I agree with Richards comments, consider marketing services or Marketing communications as a division or department (mostly travel agencies, universities, industrial corporates) you will find design as a part of it, in contrast most of the client-agency setups like web design or internet strategy houses or advertising agencies plans for a dedicated web design department.

]]> By: Social Media IT at Jascha’s Blog http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-42821 Social Media IT at Jascha’s Blog Fri, 29 May 2009 17:42:01 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-42821 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] talks about our need for a web division. He correctly identifies that we typically hand our websites to IT or Marketing. Any guesses where [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] talks about our need for a web division. He correctly identifies that we typically hand our websites to IT or Marketing. Any guesses where [...]

]]> By: 10 Harsh Truths About Corporate Websites « MarketPrint Consultants http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-42238 10 Harsh Truths About Corporate Websites « MarketPrint Consultants Wed, 06 May 2009 21:23:36 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-42238 [...] peu plus compétent sur ces notions, mais comme le souligne Jeffrey Zeldman dans son article “Let there be Web divisions” cela reste très insuffisant [...] [...] peu plus compétent sur ces notions, mais comme le souligne Jeffrey Zeldman dans son article “Let there be Web divisions” cela reste très insuffisant [...]

]]> By: Kurumsal Websiteleri Hakkında 10 Acı Gerçek http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-42219 Kurumsal Websiteleri Hakkında 10 Acı Gerçek Mon, 04 May 2009 11:07:12 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-42219 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] yandan pazarlama biraz daha iyidir. Zira Jeffrey Zeldman'ın da makalesinde Bırakın web birimleri olsun makalesinde belirttiği gibi: Web bir diyalogdur. Pazarlama ise tam aksine monologdur. Ardından [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] yandan pazarlama biraz daha iyidir. Zira Jeffrey Zeldman’ın da makalesinde Bırakın web birimleri olsun makalesinde belirttiği gibi: Web bir diyalogdur. Pazarlama ise tam aksine monologdur. Ardından [...]

]]> By: Web Leadership’s Role in Higher Ed | .eduGuru http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-42168 Web Leadership’s Role in Higher Ed | .eduGuru Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:59:22 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-42168 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] this is a really great read. Reminds me of Zeldman’s “Let There be Web Divisions” post. http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/ [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] this is a really great read. Reminds me of Zeldman’s “Let There be Web Divisions” post. http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/ [...]

]]> By: blogg | animadverto corporate blog http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-41323 blogg | animadverto corporate blog Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:25:17 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-41323 [...] yandan pazarlama biraz daha iyidir. Zira Jeffrey Zeldman’ın da makalesinde Bırakın web birimleri olsun makalesinde belirttiği gibi: Web bir diyalogdur. Pazarlama ise tam aksine monologdur. Ardından [...] [...] yandan pazarlama biraz daha iyidir. Zira Jeffrey Zeldman’ın da makalesinde Bırakın web birimleri olsun makalesinde belirttiği gibi: Web bir diyalogdur. Pazarlama ise tam aksine monologdur. Ardından [...]

]]> By: Kurumsal Websitelerinin Görünmeyen 10 Yüzü « Süleyman Fahri KURT http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-41315 Kurumsal Websitelerinin Görünmeyen 10 Yüzü « Süleyman Fahri KURT Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:33:07 +0000 http://www.zeldman.com/2007/07/02/let-there-be-web-divisions/#comment-41315 [...] yandan pazarlama biraz daha iyidir. Zira Jeffrey Zeldman’ın da makalesinde Bırakın web birimleri olsun makalesinde belirttiği gibi: Web bir diyalogdur. Pazarlama ise tam aksine monologdur. Ardından [...] [...] yandan pazarlama biraz daha iyidir. Zira Jeffrey Zeldman’ın da makalesinde Bırakın web birimleri olsun makalesinde belirttiği gibi: Web bir diyalogdur. Pazarlama ise tam aksine monologdur. Ardından [...]

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