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		<title>By: HometownSource Blogs &#187; 2007 &#187; June</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/06/20/remove-maybe-from-invitation-systems/#comment-50650</link>
		<dc:creator>HometownSource Blogs &#187; 2007 &#187; June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] the always relevant Jeffrey Zeldman. On the topic of Web-based form choices, Zeldman argues that &#8216;Maybe&#8217; is one option too many, and also suggests that online rating systems should use four stars and not five. Why? Because [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] the always relevant Jeffrey Zeldman. On the topic of Web-based form choices, Zeldman argues that &#8216;Maybe&#8217; is one option too many, and also suggests that online rating systems should use four stars and not five. Why? Because [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Kakooljay</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/06/20/remove-maybe-from-invitation-systems/#comment-48990</link>
		<dc:creator>Kakooljay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post! Great point about 5-star systems.. but I have 2 important counterargs:

1) The histograms (of rating distributions) that I&#039;ve seen don&#039;t support your hypothesis that many users rate items 3 stars. Why would apathetic/callow users bother rating at all?

2) A sophisticated system can normalize the ratings data by, eg, discounting ratings from apathetic users (who tend to rate everything the same way), or even disregarding 3-star ratings altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post! Great point about 5-star systems.. but I have 2 important counterargs:</p>
<p>1) The histograms (of rating distributions) that I&#8217;ve seen don&#8217;t support your hypothesis that many users rate items 3 stars. Why would apathetic/callow users bother rating at all?</p>
<p>2) A sophisticated system can normalize the ratings data by, eg, discounting ratings from apathetic users (who tend to rate everything the same way), or even disregarding 3-star ratings altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: Elsewhere monthlies for June 2007</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/06/20/remove-maybe-from-invitation-systems/#comment-43477</link>
		<dc:creator>Elsewhere monthlies for June 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] “Maybe” is one option too many [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Rating System: Stars, thumbs up/down, happy/sad face, letter grade (A-F), scale 1-10? - SitePoint Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rating System: Stars, thumbs up/down, happy/sad face, letter grade (A-F), scale 1-10? - SitePoint Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] thanks for mentioning that article ...here if anyone needs it: http://www.zeldman.com/2007/06/20/re...ation-systems/  The end of the article make an interesting point:  [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] thanks for mentioning that article &#8230;here if anyone needs it: <a href="http://www.zeldman.com/2007/06/20/re...ation-systems/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zeldman.com/2007/06/20/re&#8230;ation-systems/</a>  The end of the article make an interesting point:  [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/06/20/remove-maybe-from-invitation-systems/#comment-39232</link>
		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer the 5 star rating system because three stars is a perfect rating for a pleasant, but forgettable film.  The type of movie that you don&#039;t think was a waste of your time or money to see, but you couldn&#039;t be bothered to bring it up and recommend it to friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer the 5 star rating system because three stars is a perfect rating for a pleasant, but forgettable film.  The type of movie that you don&#8217;t think was a waste of your time or money to see, but you couldn&#8217;t be bothered to bring it up and recommend it to friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-06-22</title>
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		<dc:creator>Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-06-22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 05:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Jeffrey Zeldman Presents : &#8220;Maybe&#8221; is one option too many Via J. Brotherlove. I agree! (tags: psychology social interesting courtesy) [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: The State of the UI (Open Library)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 20:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Jeff. &quot;“Maybe” is one option too many&quot;. http://www.zeldman.com/2007/06/20/remove-maybe-from-invitation-systems/  [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Jeff. &#8220;“Maybe” is one option too many&#8221;. <a href="http://www.zeldman.com/2007/06/20/remove-maybe-from-invitation-systems/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zeldman.com/2007/06/20/remove-maybe-from-invitation-systems/</a>  [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Profiblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Profiblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Zaujímavý postreh o hviezdičkách, ktorými často hodnotíme články, filmy alebo služby na internete (Jeffrey Zeldman): [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Zaujímavý postreh o hviezdičkách, ktorými často hodnotíme články, filmy alebo služby na internete (Jeffrey Zeldman): [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Teeth whitening info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Value date</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/06/20/remove-maybe-from-invitation-systems/#comment-37006</link>
		<dc:creator>Teeth whitening info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Value date</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 04:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeffrey Zeldman Presents : &quot;Maybe&quot; is one option too many Web design insights since 1995. Personal site of Jeffrey Zeldman, publisher of A List Apart Magazine, founder of Happy Cog Studios, co-founder of The Web [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeffrey Zeldman Presents : &quot;Maybe&quot; is one option too many Web design insights since 1995. Personal site of Jeffrey Zeldman, publisher of A List Apart Magazine, founder of Happy Cog Studios, co-founder of The Web [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another person&#039;s &quot;five star&quot; rating is much more useful to me if I think their tastes are similar to mine.

Someone mentioned that most reviews at Amazon are positive. I think it makes sense: who would bother reviewing a bluegrass album unless they&#039;re a bluegrass fan who owns this album? In which case, they probably like it. They may imagine that non-bluegrass fans will see their rating and be convinced to try it; therefore, it&#039;s a review with an agenda.

If I want to discover new music, I find it more useful to find something I know that I like and look at the &quot;people who bought X also bought Y&quot; information. It&#039;s also cool to look at the &quot;favorite albums&quot; lists of people who share my opinion of this particular album.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another person&#8217;s &#8220;five star&#8221; rating is much more useful to me if I think their tastes are similar to mine.</p>
<p>Someone mentioned that most reviews at Amazon are positive. I think it makes sense: who would bother reviewing a bluegrass album unless they&#8217;re a bluegrass fan who owns this album? In which case, they probably like it. They may imagine that non-bluegrass fans will see their rating and be convinced to try it; therefore, it&#8217;s a review with an agenda.</p>
<p>If I want to discover new music, I find it more useful to find something I know that I like and look at the &#8220;people who bought X also bought Y&#8221; information. It&#8217;s also cool to look at the &#8220;favorite albums&#8221; lists of people who share my opinion of this particular album.</p>
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		<title>By: nja</title>
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		<dc:creator>nja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This five-star rating system does&#039;t appear to be that crazy if you compare it to the school rating system. In many european countries there are marks from 1 to 6 or a to f which is a 6 level rating system.  So when rating you just give out a mark. Three is in the middle so its mediocre. I think 4 level rating system would be too less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This five-star rating system does&#8217;t appear to be that crazy if you compare it to the school rating system. In many european countries there are marks from 1 to 6 or a to f which is a 6 level rating system.  So when rating you just give out a mark. Three is in the middle so its mediocre. I think 4 level rating system would be too less.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Nagele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Nagele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best technical article on how to handle the &quot;neutral&quot; ratings is on the blog &quot;Life with Alacrity.&quot; We have used this method and formula on some of our sites. Scroll down to the bayesian average.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/2005/12/collective_choi.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Read the article&lt;/a&gt;

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best technical article on how to handle the &#8220;neutral&#8221; ratings is on the blog &#8220;Life with Alacrity.&#8221; We have used this method and formula on some of our sites. Scroll down to the bayesian average.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/2005/12/collective_choi.html" rel="nofollow">Read the article</a></p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Leda Yeats</title>
		<link>http://www.zeldman.com/2007/06/20/remove-maybe-from-invitation-systems/#comment-22822</link>
		<dc:creator>Leda Yeats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh boys, at my wedding dinner I&#039;ve lost lot of mooney because &quot;may be&quot; people...
Next wedding I&#039;ll adopt a binary technique!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh boys, at my wedding dinner I&#8217;ve lost lot of mooney because &#8220;may be&#8221; people&#8230;<br />
Next wedding I&#8217;ll adopt a binary technique!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, there are two different situations being discussed here, one: will you/won&#039;t you be doing something, and two: giving your opinion. As much as I agree with the need to have only yes or no on an invitation, the commentary that followed on the uselessness of a 5-star rating system was misplaced. After all, &quot;Will you be coming to dinner?&quot; is a completely different type of question than &quot;Do you like broccoli?&quot;, as in the end, there are only two options on the dinner: eventually you will either go or you won&#039;t go. However, in matters of opinion I find there is rarely an absolute yes or no, and how do you capture any of that variety if all you give people is yes or no.

Perhaps one could look at it in that if you are getting the majority of maybe&#039;s for responses, what is truly not working was the question rather than the rating system. &quot;Do you like broccoli steamed until just short of crisp?&quot; is a much more complete question, and much more likely to garner you a yes or no response. Tailor your question with an eye to how much information you want in response, as it were.

I suspect many maybe&#039;s could be &quot;It depends&quot; in disguise, since even a 5-star rating system only allows for degrees of yes or no, and many times the answer varies with the situation. I don&#039;t like broccoli at all if you boil it the way my mother does, but it&#039;s my favorite thing in a stir-fry. I liked the functionality of the feature as described, but as it didn&#039;t actually work in my browser, how am I supposed to answer yes or no? Do I answer no and have you thing I didn&#039;t care for the feature itself, or do I answer yes and have you totally miss the fact it didn&#039;t work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, there are two different situations being discussed here, one: will you/won&#8217;t you be doing something, and two: giving your opinion. As much as I agree with the need to have only yes or no on an invitation, the commentary that followed on the uselessness of a 5-star rating system was misplaced. After all, &#8220;Will you be coming to dinner?&#8221; is a completely different type of question than &#8220;Do you like broccoli?&#8221;, as in the end, there are only two options on the dinner: eventually you will either go or you won&#8217;t go. However, in matters of opinion I find there is rarely an absolute yes or no, and how do you capture any of that variety if all you give people is yes or no.</p>
<p>Perhaps one could look at it in that if you are getting the majority of maybe&#8217;s for responses, what is truly not working was the question rather than the rating system. &#8220;Do you like broccoli steamed until just short of crisp?&#8221; is a much more complete question, and much more likely to garner you a yes or no response. Tailor your question with an eye to how much information you want in response, as it were.</p>
<p>I suspect many maybe&#8217;s could be &#8220;It depends&#8221; in disguise, since even a 5-star rating system only allows for degrees of yes or no, and many times the answer varies with the situation. I don&#8217;t like broccoli at all if you boil it the way my mother does, but it&#8217;s my favorite thing in a stir-fry. I liked the functionality of the feature as described, but as it didn&#8217;t actually work in my browser, how am I supposed to answer yes or no? Do I answer no and have you thing I didn&#8217;t care for the feature itself, or do I answer yes and have you totally miss the fact it didn&#8217;t work?</p>
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		<title>By: tamisha</title>
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		<dc:creator>tamisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the same thing happen to me and my boyfriend.  at different restaurants they do sometimes offer a scale for how hot you want your food</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the same thing happen to me and my boyfriend.  at different restaurants they do sometimes offer a scale for how hot you want your food</p>
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