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Of course CS3, because I don’t user windows. Easy answer, but the truth.
CS3. One feature says it all: loading PSDs into Flash.
CS3. Why? Universal Binary. A responsive design environment is far more important than any interface bells and whistles either corporation could muster. Otherwise both would get a “meh.”
From a programmer’s viewpoint: CS3 - Flex works with Linux, Silverlight doesn’t. (in the “none of the above” department: the new JavaFX from Sun looks interesting.)
It has to be CS3 for the reasons above; responsiveness of the Universal Binary more than anything.
I’m more nervous about Vista. Last thing we need is another variable for testing web layouts / applications.
I’m very interested/excited about CS3. I am amazed at the video integration they’ve added to Photoshop along with the Stamp tool improvements…you can now have 5 separate selection sources and choose them quickly and easily!!! Touching up large images will be soooo much easier and faster now.
I’m also very excited about the new things Illustrator comes with and overall pretty much everything they’ve come out with…I will say that I’d prefer to have the new Final Cut Studio than Adobe’s Video Editor, but I’m sure they’ll both integrate to some extent.
CS3 hands down and mostly because of the Universal Binary. I haven’t even tried using Vista and it’s been out for over four months now, if that says anything. :)
CS3, because Adobe listens to users and builds in features that users want and they work, making us more productive in our work. Microsoft makes decisions by committee and more or less is pressured by competition and lawsuits to provide what users want/need (i.e. XP SP2, IE7). I use Vista and my software crashes a lot. The same software on XP is as stable as can be. I’m still trying to figure out what took Microsoft seven years before releasing Vista. Can’t wait for Vista SP1.
CS3. Total integration of creative tools. Yum.
cs3 of course… I’m a mac user too ;)
Windows Vista. Because I’m not really interested in either and because nobody has voted Vista yet ;)
CS3 is hot. The new selection tools in Photoshop are so much more advanced than the old Tragic Wand. That alone makes it worth it to me.
I thought it was a rhetorical question promoting a continuing dialogue ala Paul Graham about Microsoft’s declining relevance.
Easy answer there… CS3.
Mostly because I’m not a Windows user for the most part, but also because I’ve spent a little time on Vista Home Basic and it’s freakin’ dog slow.
I am looking forward to CS3. Windows @ work but we’re not upgrading to Vista anytime soon.
you must have been waiting for a good excuse to use that post title… it’s a good one.
btw your comment form’s fields have the “wrong” tab order: skipping down from mail to website, then back up the human being check before coming down to the actual comment field.
CS3. Universal Binary!
Vista doesn’t bring me any necessary advancement in tools or user experience over XP (considering I only use XP for cross-OS/browser testing).
CS3, I’m a mac user. I’ve used CS3 and it’s amazingly beautiful
This questions sounds like something a troll would ask on slashdot.
CS3 for me too! A great suite of tools. Interestingly both CS3 and Vista have been considered to be very pricey for us European purchasers. :(
I’m also very keen to find out more about the next version of Director!
Definitely not Vista- I guess CS3 even through I have not bothered to purchase it. The Beta was pretty awesome.
I tried out the Beta of Vista- there is nothing exciting about a reworked version of XP with a new aqu.. cough cough.. aero interface.
CS3 - I’m fortunate enough to benefit from our company purchasing the Design Premium package and the fact that it’s a universal binary means it’s no longer a hog on my mac.
Having installed many different versions of Longhorn and Vista in the run up to the final code release, I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s a big pile of crap and - until I’m forced to - I won’t be upgrading.
CS3 - Universal Binary means it should consume fewer resources (or at least run faster on equal resources). Can’t say the same for Vista…
upgrading to Vista
upgrading?
CS3, onaccounna it’s stable.
Being on OS X, and not seeing any real originality from Vista - I’d definitely have to say CS3. I am glad that Fireworks will be more interoperable with Photoshop.
CS3 — I use Dreamweaver daily and am interested to see the improvements in DWCS3.
Vista? Not so much, even though I work daily in WindowsXP and OSX.
CS3 over Vista.
But keeping accessibility and semantics HTML 5 grabs my attention over either of those. It will be a sad day if HTML 5 becomes a purely presentational language.
References:
Help Keep Accessibility and Semantics in HTML
By Roger Johansson.
“This is a call to action directed at all standardistas and accessibilitistas. If you think accessibility and semantics are important and should be improved in the next version of HTML, you need to act. What is currently going on in the W3C HTML Working Group is very disappointing and something I never expected to see when I joined it. I was naive enough to think that everybody joining the HTML WG would be doing so out of a desire to improve the Web. Unfortunately, that does not seem to be the case…All in all, my impression so far is that unless things change, the next version of HTML will do nothing to improve the Web. All it will do is make things easier for browser vendors and ignorant web developers. The rest of us may be better off sticking to HTML 4.01 Strict…If you have an interest in improving the accessibility of HTML, want more semantic and less presentational markup, and are good at arguing your case, please consider applying for HTML Working Group membership by following the Instructions for joining the HTML Working Group. Do it now. The longer you wait, the harder it will be to change the unfortunate direction things are going in.”
http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200705/help_keep_accessibility_and_semantics_in_html/
Will HTML 5 Be a Purely Presentational Language?
By Ian Hickson.
“…There are people strongly arguing that HTML should be a purely presentational language, much, much more presentational than the proposed WHATWG draft. In fact, unless someone argues against it, it’s likely that the W3C spec will be even less semantic and more presentational than the WHATWG draft. So if you think the WHATWG draft is already too presentational, I really encourage you to make your opinion known in the HTML working group…”
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2007Apr/0171.html
Official Instructions For Joining the HTML Working Group
By W3C.
http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/40318/instructions
How You Can Join the W3C HTML5 Working Group in Six Easy Steps
By Ian Hickson.
Ian has posted clearer instructions for joining the HTML working group. He says, “Taking part in the group is not a big commitment. You can spend as much or as little time contributing; you don’t need to read every e-mail on subjects you don’t care about, you don’t need to call in or attend face-to-face meetings. In fact, the W3C has stated in the group’s charter that no binding decisions will be made at meetings; you are guaranteed equal say whether you are present or not…”
http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1173385976&count=1
cs3 — vista is clunkier than xp.
CS3 - I loved it since working with the beta version. The fact that it is Universal makes things much more responsive.
Vista - not bad, but my co-workers found it to be pretty buggy with the applications they need and have switched back to XP.
Seriously? Is anyone really that excited about Vista? Being a Mac user, I could care less - except for IE (because it plagues us all…) but they got that working for XP, so…
My wife, an avid PC user, is also not remotely impressed with Vista, so…
There it is.
CS3, much better interface and so good new features! Win XP is enough for me, I don’t need Vista.
CS3. As a Mac user I got no interest in it.
It being Vista, of course.
I’m not really looking forward to the price tags on either of these things…. but in Microsoft’s favor I’ll have to say this:
Vista kind of blows right now, but they made a lot of changes under the hood shall we say. Once the development community becomes more familiar with the way vista operates, I think we’ll be in a position to see a good OS from MS again.
So I’m excited for whatever comes after vista.
as for CS… they’ve made significant progress for us in the here and now so kudos… adobe still wins (it appears to be unanimous)
Definitely CS3, better integration between Illustrator and Photoshop with Flash. Being a Mac user, Vista doesn’t do much for me. I noticed something from a few friends that have been using Vista, a couple of them pointed out the 3D WIndows Key+Tab Switching as something that was some wonderful new feature. To me it just seems like lipstick on a pig.
I vote for option C: the new Harry Potter.
I’m excited about oranges because of the orange color, the orange aroma, the way they taste with chocolate and the way the peel comes off in a helix if you’re careful. I love oranges and I always will.
Apples do not excite me. What is there to do with an apple besides stare at it and then eat it, crunching away from the top down?
I’m excited by CS3 for many reasons, among them
1. Photoshop will be much faster on my new Intel mac
2. More reversable editing capabilities (I think)
3. I love Illustrator and it will be better
4. Flash will have the One True Pen, but also the old scraggley pen.
5. I skipped CS2, so I will be getting tons of camera raw stuff
6. I love learning new things
7. It has all finally come together into a new synergetic standard and after I learn it all I won’t have to learn anything else ever again. (see reason 6)
8. At last the launching icons (Ps, Fl, Ai) make some sense.=
9. Orange is my favorite color
10. CS3 is for producing, Vista is for consuming, and I hold a personal bias in favor of active production over passive and vegetative consumption.
I just switched to OSX at the end of last year and frankly I am happy I don’t have to deal with 20 different windows versions anymore (at least for my personal machine). I just couldn’t bother with a Windows system update that as a #1 feature provides a massive slowdown of my working environment, making my beloved PC hardware obsolete.
After 16 years of DOS/Windows it didn’t take me long to feel comfy with OSX and I don’t miss Windows at all.
As for CS3 I look forward to the universal binary speed upgrade, other than that I have a hard time using all the features of CS2.
Both, because Vista’s supposed to have a snappy and somewhat more intuitive interface than its antecedents, while CS3 continues the tradition of each release being an unqualified improvement on its predecessor.
Or…
Neither, because what I’ve got ain’t broke and I just about pissed myself (on two separate occasions) when I saw what each of them costs… but yet, given another several months, if I don’t have them, clients will start yelling at me to upgrade.
Neither actually, but if I had to pick one, it wouldn’t be Vista that’s for sure so it’d have to be CS3.
CS3. I’d say the same thing if “Tiger” were put in place of “Vista.” I have no reason to get really excited over an OS. I have every reason to get excited over the programs that run on the OS which improve my workflow and entertain me. Honestly, I never understood the whole hubbub over a new OS when it’s the programs that make or break it.
CS3 - the new menu bars are more useful than the ones from vista
CS3 - there are more changes in vista (compared to xpsp2) than in cs3 (compared to cs2), but those in cs3 are more useful
CS3 - because you know what you’re money spending for
CS3 - what will be more stable?..
Neither is that important for me. As a developer I am weary that Vista will create more MS problems, it seems that we can never be free of the MS problems.
As a designer I am interested in CS3 but not exited. The only thing that really excites me about it is that it will run faster than CS2 on my MacIntel. Feature wise, sure many cool things but nothing that will revolutionize design or ultimately the way we work. At least not for me anyway. I am not looking forward to the price tag.
I am totally more excited about picture frames than surfboards.
CS3!!!!!!!!
CS3 is the culmination of everything we hoped would happen when Adobe acquired Macromedia. FULL INTEGRATION. Plus a bunch of other cool stuff we didn’t even know was on the horizon.
Live Color and Flash exporting in Illustrator
3D, Video Paint, and Non-destructive Filters in Photoshop
3D from still photo and Puppet Tool in After Effects (omg)
Time-mapping and Encore for Premiere
And Southbooth? Holy smokes!
As I have with all Windows releases, I’ll probably wait a year before upgrading to Vista. CS3 I need RIGHT NOW.
I will be purchasing both but I am really looking forward to seeing my favorite applications bundled together in one package. Hopefully my work-flow will be simplified due to tighter integration between the old Macromedia products and those of Adobe.
Quick Note: It has been said before, but the CS3 Dock icons really leave something to be desired.
Neither. I bought CS2 last fall and it does everything I need and more. I’m also a windows user and my current PC running XP also does everything I need pretty well already.
I totally misread the question as, “What are you excited about, and why?” This question makes more sense to me.
Jeffrey Zeldman asks his readers which they’re more interested in, Adobe CS3 (presumably some designer thing?) or Windows Vista
Vista, definitely. I’m primarily a Windows user and I love most of Vista’s new features. Except for NVIDIA driver problems (for which Microsoft deserves no blame), I haven’t had a single stability issue with Vista in the months I’ve been running it.
The sidebar is very useful, as is the live search. (Yes, I know, OS X had equivalents of these first. So what?) The new UI features, from the Start menu on, are nice. There are new performance monitoring tools that are extraordinarily helpful. The new audio subsystem is incredibly convenient–I can adjust the volume of (or mute) each app at the system level. ReadyBoost (using a USB thumb drive as an extra layer of cache) makes things run that much smoother. And best yet, no problems with any of my applications. UAC is a little annoying sometimes, though not annoying enough to be worth disabling.
As for CS3, I’m debating upgrading. I don’t have the Universal Binary issue to worry about on Windows and there aren’t any new features I’m particularly excited about in Photoshop and Illustrator. Certainly nothing I see that would greatly enhance my ability to get work done–not for the price of the upgrade, anyway.
For starters, selection is way better in Photoshop CS3.
Just saying.
I have no particular reason to be super excited about either Vista or CS3, but if I had to pick one to upgrade to, it’d be CS3. There are a few disadvantages to Vista, and all its best features are available elsewhere. No real disadvantage to the CS3 upgrade, and no program does pixels better than Photoshop. Easy choice.
I run openSUSE and The GIMP, Scribus, Inkscape, Kate, Gftp, etc. get me through the day nicely. That said, I’d probably vote for CS3 on Vista. In my experience, the Windows versions of Adobe software are a lot more stable. There was a time when Adobe was a Mac-first company, but that was a long time ago.
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CS3. Definitely. I have no use for Windows Vista, except as an excuse to buy a Mac for my next computer.
By the way, the little spam check field is out of the taborder. Just by the way.
CS3 for sure! Flash and other Macromedia products have always been good, but not great. Another comment said that Adobe listens to their client’s needs, while I don’t think Macromedia did so much. I’m excited to see what Adobe has done to make Flash and Dreamweaver even better. Also, Hooray for better integration between Photoshop and Flash! And finally, I’m interested to see how Actionscript 3.0 has improved from 2.0.
As far as Vista goes, unfortunately I’m on a budget, and a PC at home (got a Mac at work). But my computer would probably kick it if I even wanted to spend the money to upgrade.
It’s really a “meh” to both, although I’ll probably get excited the actual day I get CS3 at work (although I’m not a designer so it’s not quite so exciting for me).
Vista gets the meh primarily because it’s v1.0 software, which is the “let the early adopters work through the bugs” release. That goes for all platforms, BTW! In fact if my fiancee’s macbook pro is anything to go by, you should never get v1.0 of hardware either :)
CS3’s first release will no doubt have bugs as well… but since it’s not the entire OS it’s less of an issue to me. If it was my primary development tool it would be more of a consideration.
Is these even a fair comparison? Or are you just asking for people to rant about Vista… I mean, come on! Haha…
I’m excited for neither really- if anything, Office 2007.
CS3! Without Question! Dreamweaver 8 was veeery slooooow on my Macs… now it just flies!!!
I ran Vista on my Mac Pro, just for kicks… and while the hardware runs it quite smoothly… I wasn’t blown away by it… I guess I didn’t see the WOW factor Gates was talking about.
Yes, I am an old Windows XP user, and I still use it at work, and it just feels like a beautified, gpu-intensive version of it… And what really really turned me off was the “allow or deny” thingy, which Apple has made fun of.
I am excited about both, cause I get them for free! Any software is good for free. I love my job!
Can I say neither? I’m perfectly happy with XP for testing web sites in IE.
And frankly, the icons in CS3 are so devoid of creativity, it makes me think less of Adobe®.
What can I say, I’m shallow. Also, I’m still on the PowerPC platform, so Universary Binary means little to me for the price tag.
I know this is funny and I’m laughing a little. I’d be laughing more if someone explained the allusion. Help a guy out.
CS3 definitely rocks. Just the performance improvements alone on our machines made the upgrade well worth it. I think some of the changes to the Photoshop Interface are handy, but quite a few take some getting used to. We hand code in Dreamweaver and a couple of the interface changes there were much desired as well (like the file transfer dialog is now it’s own window).
Vista on the other hand… well all that I want is to be able to leave my PCs on as long as I can leave my mac running without a restart. Well that and faster performance on the LAN.
CS3, no contest
CS3 inspires my creativity and makes me want to do more productive stuff with computers.
Vista makes me want to live in the woods
Me: CS3, because I use an Intel Mac at work.
Interesting how almost no one here is interested in either for their new features (unless you consider being compiled as a Universal Binary on the Mac as a new feature of CS3). I think that, because of their large and change-averse user base, both Miscrosoft (with Vista) and Adobe (with CS3) have ceased to innovate as much as they once did.
Windows and Adobe’s bread-and-butter apps have both become such basic tools that UI and feature innovation have almost become handicaps, a development I discuss here.
We just bought a new Mac Pro this past weekend. I happened to have a copy of Vista that my wife won at a TV show taping a few weeks ago, so I loaded it in BootCamp just to see what the big deal was. There wasn’t any near as I could tell. As a Mac user for 21 years now, changes in Windows don’t much interest me. It’s good to have it loaded so I can check how sites look with the new “C” fonts, but that’s about all it brings to the table for me. Even IE 7 doesn’t require Vista; I have a copy of XP in a Parallels VM with IE 7 loaded.
CS3, on the other hand, interests me greatly because of the Universal binaries now that I’ve got this new machine. I’m going to have to wait for the checkbook to stop smoking before I buy it, though….
I’m not particularly enthusiastic about either release, and haven’t tried any of them yet, but if I have to pick, I’ll say CS3. I don’t even want to try out Vista, but CS3 looks like a nice upgrade from CS2 in every way, so I’ll probably have that installed sooner or later anyway.
CS3 to see if Dreamweaver can treat CSS visual coding smartly (but I doubt it)
just got vista ultimate and cs3 at home and my experience has been flawless. i can have photoshop, flash, dreamweaver, ftp and a few other items open and everything is almost instantaneous; never crashes, never a problem.
i’ve got a mac and a pc at work, and in all honesty, everything is slower on the mac.
Ubuntu Feisty :-D
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Neither - open source software FTW (I’m already running Feisty!). I can’t have a hard time mustering up any interest for bloated software anymore. This thread is spiking my interest in CS3, though, because I do run Windows at work (unfortunately, not my choice!) and use Dreamweaver regularly.
CS3… who uses Windows?! Okay, I used Windows at work because I have to. I can’t wait to get my CS3. I am most looking forward to non-destructive filters. Woo!
Ummmm, neither?!
Ubuntu Feisty for me; also looking forward to the release of GIMP with a new core: GEGL. Proper compositing, non-destructive layer effects etc.
Then, you never know, the GIMP devs might do some usability work! Or maybe someone else will create a new interface around GEGL. Either way, no more proprietary lock-in for me.
Loaded question. As if your readers would have the credibility to make an accurate assessment of Vista. Bash away…but the work under the hood couldn’t be understood or appreciated by a fanatical Mac, anti IE crowd. And yes, I’ve been with Apple since my IIe and Lisa.
What about Mac OS X Leopard, that would spice things up. But i’m more interested in CS3. It works on XP and Vista so there is no reason to upgrade and add another browser variable. But IE7 seems pretty standards friendly so it shouldn’t be too bad. And anyway CS3 adds so much intergration to Photoshop, Flash, and all the other programs. It’s also easier to use and the price tag ain’t bad if you have cs2 to say the least.
Is that even a question?
gee, what a surprise. 90% of people in the comments are listing cs3 as their choice.
given the reader profile of just about everyone who may read this blog, was this ever in doubt??
why even have such a post? it would be like a microsoft/windows fan posting a similar post and getting 90% for vista.
how can you even compare the two, anyway? they provide totally different functions. perhaps a vista vs leopard post might be a bit more accurate.
but then again, we all know how that will go as well…
Definitely NOT vista! I crack up whenever I see the Mac commercial with the PC guy being asked “Accept or Deny.” It’s all true.
I’m just excited Fireworks still exists.
CS3. Vista freaks me out from first 10 minutes after I started to use it till today.
CS3, hands down.
Altough I’ve not yet looked at CS3 I vote for it, because their’s absolutely nothing to be excited about vista… ;-)
Loving CS3. Besides what everyone else already said, Bridge is amazing.
CS3 of course… Several years into being a die hard MAC convert I cannot see any reason to break a sweat over Vista, I recently had a casual interaction with it and that was enough to send me back to OS 9 (which I didn’t really like).
Even with “Adobe” before it, I read that as “CSS3″. I was getting really excited about some of the new features of CSS!
I don’t give a f*ck about any of those two. =)
I work on Windows, so I just don’t care about the universalbinariness of that CS3 release; and I’ve been working long time on Windows, so I gave up the idea that MS could release anything exciting in the OS field years ago.
I’d waaay more excited about spring and summer coming =)
Pacey wrote:
You’ve done a demographic study on my readers? That’s awesome! How am I doing with women 24-35?
in reply to zeldman,
i don’t need to have done a demographic study to have an idea of who would actually read this blog on a consistent basis. graphic and web designers, people who have an interest in designing for the web and those who are interested in the web, generally.
i am a great fan of yours (i have also purchased your book), but i don’t need to be a rocket scientist to work out who would find this blog interesting (me being one of them).
all i am saying is that i don’t see much point in this question as it seems to be an ideal forum for windows bashing, given your (and given the comments previously, some of your readers) liking of apple products.
for the record, i use windows vista at work and at home and find it quite good.
Pacey: Many web professionals use Windows, as you do; it’s legitimate to ask who is excited about Vista. I expected lots of excitement about Adobe CS3, sure; but I also thought there would be more interest in Vista than I’m seeing here.
I’m astonished at the lack of holistic thinking here. Of course CS3 is exciting, but, really, is it likely to change the face of web design? I doubt it. Where, on-the-other-hand,Vista is set to become the dominant operating system, which means IE7 is set to become the dominant browser. Also, under Vista, Windows-based machines are now more reliable and more secure. I’m much more excited by the opportunities these facts bring. I’m much more excited by the fact that so many more people using PCs will have a better experience (because, I somewhat grudgingly admit, Vista is actually quite a good experience; certainly much better than XP).
The bottom-line is, I doubt I can do much, if anything, truly new in CS3. It will maybe make my work life better and more enjoyable. Perhaps. I will love it and cherish it, for sure. But it is Vista that opens up a whole world of opportunities that only a major new Windows OS release with its updated default browser can bring. Whether you prefer Mac, Windows, Linux or whatever as your platform of choice, the naked fact remains that Vista is rapidly delivering Standards to the masses. I find that incredibly exciting.
Exactly (although less dominant than five years ago). Vista and IE7 also bring subpixel antialiasing to Windows users by default for the first time. (Yes, Windows Cleartype has been available for years, but it was off by default, and most users don’t change defaults.)
Although Vista and Mac OSX Quartz are not identical and do not provide exactly the same typographic experience, the switching of (eventually) all Windows users to smoothly antialiased web typography surely makes CSS layout and web text more attractive to the mass of web designers, not just the leading edge.
Yes, great point, the typographic opportunities brought about by having ClearType on by default are tremendous and very exciting. I do hope we see the discipline of web typography given the attention it deserves (and with Stan, Mark Boulton, Richard Rutter, et al leading the way, I’m sure it will) now we have the tools with which to let it flourish.
As an aside, when IE7 was finally rolled out at my organisation, which also turned on ClearType by default, many users complained that their text became ‘fuzzy’. This was with both CRT and LCD users. Odd, as it looks much better on both to my eyes. The decision was then made by IT here to turn it off. Sigh. I think generally that the transition to Vista in the corporate environment will be much slower than that on the home desktops, which puts a dampener on proceedings somewhat. But at least we’re making progress.
As a developer, cleartype on by default is fab, but as a desktop user Vista presents a half-hearted attempt to produce a GUI as visually appealing as Mac OS but with basic tasks reorganised for no apparrent reason and no killer functionality to make a move from XP desirable whilst the the Redmond Beast still supports the latter. Google and Copernic, to mention just two of many, still produce a better desktop search With Vista, many .Net basd apps that ran happily on XP are stuffed. I also had to by a new Ethernet router for my home machine :-( So why do I use Vista at home? I could by a Dell for a fraction of the cost a Mac!
Vista more secure? It finally takes the Unix/Linux approach of running with minimum permissions unless otherwise required, but you still need third party Firewall, anitivirus and spyware utilities. Regarding the third, don’t think Defender is worth a single % CPU, it’s a joke that just might crash your PC one day!
CS3? I’ve always been a Fireworks man - it’s a much underated general purpose package.
Charles Roper said:
Ouch. But probably not the only instance of that reaction and decision.
I agree. While generalizations are never universally true, it’s fair to say that many IT departments are cautious in their approach to new technologies. Note, I’m not criticizing IT departments for taking a cautious approach; I’m just saying what many of them do, often for good reason—such as not wanting (or not having the budget) to replace all the company’s peripherals.
PeterB said:
It’s off-topic and I shouldn’t rise to the bait, but comparably equipped PCs and Macs cost about the same these days. In other words, a tricked-out PC that does everything a new iMac does costs the same as that iMac or even a little more. On the low end, a basic, basic PC costs little less than a Mac mini (and the mini includes GarageBand, iDVD, iMovie, etc.)
See also Comparing prices: Mac Pro versus PCs. (Older fare on this topic includes Macworld’s The Mac mini: Comparing Apples and oranges and O’Reilly’s Mac vs. PC, a small cost comparison experiment from way back in 2004.)
How now brown wow?
cs3 = upgrade
vista = downgrade (and a risky one at that)
I wish people would refrain from posting ignorant, ill-informed, soundbites like this; it does nothing but spread FUD and misinformation and brings nothing useful to the table. If you personally don’t like Microsoft, Windows, Vista, or anything else even remotely Bill Gates flavoured, then that’s fine, but please stick to the facts.
Unfortunately I haven’t had the opportunity to upgrade to CS2 from CS3 (and boy do I need to), but it’s on the “to do after client payment clears” right after rent and right before beer… or maybe that’s the other way around. Any who, I forget. I’ve seen some demos and they look lovely.
Vista on the other hand… I’m looking forward to someone I know getting it to run properly. I just upgraded my PC (I primarily use MAC), and I’m scared to death of attempting it.
This is an amendment to my above post… that darn lessdyxia was kicking in.
CS2 from CS3 —-> CS3 from CS2
Much better.
or Windows Vista. Have a look at the comments. There is an almost universal excitement vibe in favour of CS3. I find it quite astonishing that so few (any?) of the correspondents find the opportunities present in Vista to be exciting. I’ll recountwhat I said thereagain here: Of course CS3 is exciting, but, really, is it likely to change the face of web design? I doubt it. Where, on-the-other-hand, Vista is set to become the dominant operating system, which means IE7 is set to become the dominant browser.
CS3: 1. We’re not Windoze users (except for testing), 2. We want Universal Binary for our MacIntel MacHines
We’re not excited about more bloat, however, and Adobe likes to bloat.
I think CS3 will be:)
Vista?? CS3?? Both seem like someone trying to stick an umbrella into my damn single malt scotch. Hell, I am disappointed that Allaire’s Homesite has been sent out to do that Douglas MacArthur thing. Oh, well.
I was excited about CS3 this morning when I tried to install it. 8 hours later and no success and I’m a little angry. No, make that very angry. Apparently if you tried photoshop 3 beta and didn’t uninstall and cleanse your registry, you have to do all kinds of voodoo to get this installed. I’m on Windows…. My coworker installed on Mac no problems. Time to switch back?
I wholeheartedly agree about the bloat when it comes to CS3. The size of this thing is ridiculous….
Jeffrey Zeldman asks his readers which they’re more interested in, Adobe CS3 (presumably some designer thing?) or Windows Vista. In a similar vein, I’d like to ask readers of this site which you’re more interested in, Sun’s JavaFX or signing up for TissueWorld 2008, the Premiere Exhibition and Conference for the International Tissue Industry. Answers on a postcard.
What’s the big deal about OSs? It’s just a program to run other programs, as far as I can tell. I use Fedora Core at home and for all web design (Yea Inkscape and Bluefish!), XP at work, and some cat-version of Mac when video editing at a friend’s. They’re all okay, but it’s the programs that make it worth it! And, being not-so-well-to-do, I don’t have $1K to spend on ANY computer, so using Linux allows me to buy any laptop in the world and use it the way I want.
CS3 looks kinda cool, though. But I have to wait until someone donates it to the non-profit I work for…
CS3. Total integration of creative tools. Yum.
CS3. Win XP is still enough for me, I don’t need WIndow Vista, too much expensive for me
The day a Mac has enough home users to draw the attention that Windows does is the day when Mac is going to realize that they need to implement “Allow or Deny.” I think it’s one of my favorite features of Vista. I’ve been using it for a couple months now, and everything seems pretty smooth. I haven’t had any problems with it, it looks great, and it’s easy to do just about everything. I just started using the speech recognition yesterday, and it’s pretty f’in sweet.
That being said, definitely CS3. Cause it OWNS. >:o
CS3 with vista together.
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“Allow or Deny” isn’t the inevitable result of windows being a target because of it’s massive market share. Windows has had take this approach with its security model to ensure backwards compatibility with applications and a bunch of other things. The idea that OSX would have to adopt this security model is totally stupid.
Sorry for this interruption - I’m not trying to troll or get off topic ;)
CS3 is gonna be cool. I have been fiddling with CS2 for almost a year - and I know I havent gotten close to all the features. I think Photoshop is the most amazing piece of software made available today. As far as Windows Vista - I will never switch. XP finally works great, I would be an idiot to change.
If you personally don’t like Microsoft, Windows, Vista, or anything else even remotely Bill Gates flavoured, then that’s fine, but please stick to the facts.